Went to check on trap out today, the nuc was full of bees yesterday so I was going to change it out today. I got to the site to find my nuc gone, my cone gone, the hole screened over and dead bees everywhere. A pesticide company had came and left a note with their number that they had came and sprayed all the bees and took my things. This was on private property that i've had permission to be on. The number they left is 855-930-BUGS Insect IQ inc. Do they have the right to do this and poison all of the bees??
I would call the law real quick, then send them a bill for about 450.00. For equipment, bees, and travel I had done.
Unless the land owner hired them, then I would give the bill to them.
If the pest control did not act under the landowners instruction under uk law that would be trespass and criminal damage, plus theft of your property. But local regulations in the u.s. Appear to be a minefield that even the REs would think twice about handling and defusing.
Some US local authorities seem to think they have the right to force access to apiaries and seize and destroy upon the slightest pretext of Suspicion of infection.
if you don't fight them now your apiary might bee next
if they don't pay maybe the number needs to go on a more public thread and every beekeeper in the country calling them constantly during business hours protesting what they did it will cost them more in lost business then if they pay up in the long run. equipment, i colony of bees, time spent, potential honey for the next 2 years potential splits for the next 2 years. if the land owner did not give them permission to be there get all of what you deserve
The pest company made a mistake and put something that looked like a badge on their shirts. They'll be tying folks up next week.
If they acted on their own, take 'em to court and skin 'em up!
If you look at their website, they are also into bee removals. They might of just relocated your nuc!
http://insectiq.com/ (http://insectiq.com/)
I just sent him an email asking $^*,
Will keep you posted on any outcomes,
i would be calling them not emailing
I would be visiting someone in person. Take pictures. He is a private company not some city official. Call your state apiarist. Talk to the home owner. Did a neighbor call them out for trap out and he didn't bother checking whose property it was? Might as well call the cops and make a report he stole your nuc box and bees.
I'm with NotactJack. If he's done it to you, he's done it to others. theft is theft and that stuff is not cheap, not to mention your time and effort setting up the trap out. not sure i'd visit in person unless you can take a neutral witness.....
on his website he has an icon for twitter, facebook, google, & you tube. I'd post on all of them. let us know the outcome.
Cops
POLICE! Absolutely. No doubt about it.
What did they say when you called trimman?
they said the city ov gainsville fl told them to do it and they have to do what the city says oh and john also said his son has my nuc full of bees and that he would be glad to return it monday well see if not i will call the police i talked to michael page from fl.dept of ag in tallahasse and he said he new the guy john is his name and didnt understand why he would do that but also said he has been fighting pest co for years and until florida changes laws about the reg honey bee it will contenue so when we all starve to death because there are no bees for pollenate we no who to take out first
also if you go on one of his sites he says we as beekeepers have no right doing trapouts or cutouts as we are not pro pest people and dont no what we are doing what do youall think
I would ask the city if they authorized it, and if they say yes, I would ask to see the search warrant to enter the private property.
the owner says it was his prop buuuut how much land does the city own past the sidewalk the tree was about 4 feet past the sidewalk sooo who owns the tree but still why kill the bees
Trimman, call Chappy. You know who I'm referring to. Talk to him about this. He can give some insight.
I seriously doubt the City of Gainseville authorized this. They are the most liberal bunch of tree hungers I've ever seen. And why would the city of Gainesville care what goes on in the city of High Springs? I know it's the same county, but they're not incorporated. I think you're being lied to.
i am talking to chappy but it was in the city of gainsville
If the city authorized it then the pest control fella was paid as a contractor to perform the work. There should be a paper trail for all of this beginning with some sort of contract and ending with a cancelled check or automatic deposit.............all of which would be public information.
As far as ownership of the property past the sidewalk........well that becomes a game of "how it is worded". The deed to our place says we own to the center of the road, BUT there is a 25' utility easement from the center of the road also. there is a big difference between a right of way and a utility easement.
Quote from: trimman on October 10, 2014, 08:22:10 PM
also if you go on one of his sites he says we as beekeepers have no right doing trapouts or cutouts as we are not pro pest people and dont no what we are doing what do youall think
Trimman,
Florida law now allows registered beekeeper to do trap outs and removals. The law is on your side.
Jim
were the bees on the homeowner's side of the sidewalk or between the sidewalk & the street? if on the property side neither the city or the pest control should have any right to access the property without prior permission. trees between the sidewalk & street are often controlled by the city. it depends on the town. as far as the pest control guy; beekeepers not knowing how to do trap-outs might be his stated opinion but it is not the law & usually is not true. I'd pursue the facts as far as whether the city of gainsville initiated this. if there is no proof I'd pursue the trespass & theft angle so this chump does not do this again. I'd get my nuc back 1st before stirring up the pot though.
By the way our state has designated honey bee as livestock.
we are no longer under pest control rules for trap outs.
this happened in Florida correct. then it is time to get police involved whether or not the city asked for the removal!
You see there is statutes for horse thieves car thieves and now with the designation livestock, bees are now protected on any property.
under any condition, other than AHB's.
take lots of pictures now get samples of dead bees. if the city asked demand recompense by the city. as they do not know the changes in the laws. and instigated this action.
By the way ignorance of the law is no defense in any state. they will hold all to there standards. therefore we must demand and require them to adhere to laws as well.
IF IN FLORIDA DO NOT BACK DOWN.
Someone should tell him we don't need to be pro pest people as bees are not pests. in Australia they are livestock same as cattle and sheep so the stock squad would be called.
Gettin out my popcorn.
this is more interesting than a soap opera on the Hispanic Channel!
(deep TV voice) And in the continuing saga....Did the Evil Corrupt Official Break the law? And the Pesticide person? What is their fate? trial by jury and prison?
Stay tuned for this developing story!....
But seriouslly. we have rights and to be infringed upon goes against our grain as Americans. Keep following the paper trail. If not there, than call a LEO and charge the pesticide company with theft at least and if you can get the home owner involved, than trespassing and destroying poperty, malicious intent, (the trap-out was there, he has FB stating that he doesnt agree with this..blah blah blah) theres enough there to throw a good scare in and get restitution.
looks to me from both parties.
for the home owner and you
Anymore news?
File a police report of stolen property (the bee box). Tell the officer that you know who took it. Put pressure on the guy so he does not do it again and gives your box back.
How is this coming along?
What would Jack (Reacher) do? Do that :devilbanana:
well after about a week and a half i got amy nook back a few bees not many no apolagy john sent his son with it his son said his dad new i was poed but when the city says do it they have to well sounde like a lot of yes men to me but what can you do and besides in g ville if you report a trap gone missing they would tell you it was probely for the best thanks for all your help
Quote from: trimman on October 31, 2014, 09:12:40 AM
well after about a week and a half i got amy nook back a few bees not many no apolagy john sent his son with it his son said his dad new i was poed but when the city says do it they have to well sounde like a lot of yes men to me but what can you do and besides in g ville if you report a trap gone missing they would tell you it was probely for the best thanks for all your help
Glad you got it back. Sorry about the loss of the bees. At least he was embarassed enough to make his son return it.
Jim