Anybody ever had any contact with the people from honeyjars.net? It looks like a scam, but has but online for a while now.
http://honeyjars.net/product/38mm-flip-top-cap-invert/ (http://honeyjars.net/product/38mm-flip-top-cap-invert/)
Why would you think scam? Not saying it isn't, but it appears legit at first glance. The pricing is about 1/2 of what I pay vs. Betterbee bulk but freight isn't included with honeyjars.net. I'll be at least hitting them to get a freight quote.
Wow, 850 jars for $129. I can only see it on my I-phone, the site is blocked by the fire wall here at work.
The site is not designed for an I-phone so I will have to check it out later.
Jim
Think that's 850 lids.
I tried to start an order, just to get an idea of shipping cost. Very poorly designed site. Took the order then told me to send a check. Didn't ask me if I wanted delivery. Just said to send them a check. Sounds sketchy to me.
Yea, it just has a weird feel to it.
Don't think i'll be giving them any info.
Yes very weird.
Did anyone see a count and price for the jars.
I got a lot of "this page could not be found"
Jim
OK, here's what I found. Amazing the things I remembered from my years as a white collar crime detective :cool:
The web site says call them anytime, but doesn't give a phone number, so my suspicions were aroused. Checked the web site hosting and found that the domain name is registered to Mr. Halit K Suer of New York
Gave the holding company as Westchild Inc. If you Google that company you will get multiple businesses and multiple addresses, but the primary one is 383 Jefferson Ave Rahway, NJ 07065. Westchild Inc is actually registered with the State of New York as 115 West 30th St, Suite 203, New York, New York, 10001.
Westchild Inc was also registered to Mr. Suer in Florida, but the registration lapsed.
So draw your own conclusions from this info.
There is no contact phone number
There are two main addresses for the umbrella company, Westchild Inc.
383 Jefferson Ave Rahway, NJ 07065
https://www.google.com/maps/place/383+Jefferson+Ave+Rahway,+NJ+07065/@40.5991024,-74.2931018,3a,90y,114.91h,91.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srJt-lAr_gQmaFtCj0-oKvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x7161bc4c1806fc23!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/383+Jefferson+Ave+Rahway,+NJ+07065/@40.5991024,-74.2931018,3a,90y,114.91h,91.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srJt-lAr_gQmaFtCj0-oKvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x7161bc4c1806fc23!6m1!1e1)
Nice house
And 115 West 30th St, Suite 203, New York, New York, 10001
https://www.google.com/maps/place/115+WEST+30TH+STREET,+NEW+YORK,+NEW+YORK,+10001/@40.7476543,-73.9905388,3a,75y,59.97h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m4!1sE3p4Qb1Ix6HRivmEJkk1HQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x3fb4c97fe0f35be9!6m1!1e1 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/115+WEST+30TH+STREET,+NEW+YORK,+NEW+YORK,+10001/@40.7476543,-73.9905388,3a,75y,59.97h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m4!1sE3p4Qb1Ix6HRivmEJkk1HQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x3fb4c97fe0f35be9!6m1!1e1)
Not so nice, and suite 203 is the home of a make-up and photography business
http://kenbarboza.com/contact.html (http://kenbarboza.com/contact.html)
But neither look anything like the nice clean factory shown on the honeyjars.net website because the company who designed the website, Woocommerce used a stock image library. Does this look familiar from the web site?
http://www.canstockphoto.com/images-photos/beekeeper.html#file_view.php?id=17035041 (http://www.canstockphoto.com/images-photos/beekeeper.html#file_view.php?id=17035041)
How about this one?
http://www.canstockphoto.com/images-photos/warehouse-shipping.html#file_view.php?id=6696032 (http://www.canstockphoto.com/images-photos/warehouse-shipping.html#file_view.php?id=6696032)
To quote Monty Python.
Run away!!!!
Rock on, Neil!
Wow Neil. Spot on with all that. Nice job.
Hopefully beekeepers aren't giving them any information.
Quote from: Foxhound on September 12, 2015, 05:27:49 PM
Wow Neil. Spot on with all that. Nice job.
Hopefully beekeepers aren't giving them any information.
Thanks. Sometimes I miss being a detective, but not often :wink:
Errr....sometimes the client likes the answer even of it is wrong.
There is a number lister under 'contact' (908) 986-2010. I did give it a ring and got (after several rings) a message from honeyjars.net with their business hours.
I don't know anything about them, or if they are legitm...but if you are going to go through all that trouble to track addresses and such, it seems a big miss to miss their phone number.
Neil, I often miss walking the thin Blue Line myself,I enjoyed helping people and putting crooks in Gaol but thing I miss most is the Men and Woman I worked with. Unfortunately I have found once you retire its like you were never really there.
I scrolled to the very bottom of the page and hit the contact us button, which just gave the option to e-mail them. I did then check the other contacts box. Incidentally at the bottom of the page the customer service section is blank, another warning sign
They don't actually give an address for their warehouse, but give their 'hors' of operation (I can feel the hairs on the neck waking up again)
I ran a reverse lookup for (908) 986-2010 but found nothing. Odd for a major warehouse.
But thank you for getting the old brain cells firing.
It took some digging but here's what I found.
(908) 986-2010 is a land line to a residential address, not a company. I found the phone number for Mr. Halit K Suer and it was different. So I ran his home phone number and found it linked to the fax at:
http://naturello.org/contact.html (http://naturello.org/contact.html)
The actual phone number on the naturello website returns to a Johnathan Landers who manages apartment buildings in New York City.
I then checked East 'Cost' Warehouse, 1300 Lower Road Linden, New Jersey 07036 (He really needs a spellchecker or proof reader)
http://www.eastcoastwarehouse.com/OurCompany.aspx (http://www.eastcoastwarehouse.com/OurCompany.aspx)
OK. So he's running a couple of businesses out of his house, renting space in a dockside warehouse and claiming it's his warehouse. His home phone has a fax machine installed and he uses the phone number of the manager of New York apartments.
Run away very fast :wink:
I'm not sure what you think business are supposed to look like. It looks to me like probably a small part (for the cost of a website) someone's import business.
I'm not sure what a 'major warehouse' is supposed to be (maybe you can see it from space?)....but a home office shipping empty jars out of rented warehouse space doesn't raise any flags for me more than usual...any more than any company I've never heard of.
So Deknow, are you going to be the first to order some of their jars? If you do let us know how it works out.
Jim
No...they only carry one size glass jar, the price isnt dramatically less than we are currently paying. I might call for a sample amd pricing...just like I might with any company I haven't heard of.
Anyone can miss seeing a phone number 9n a website...not everyone would boast about their detective skills while doing so.
Woah, deknow. Let's not insult one another. Fact is, the website doesn't pass the "sniff test." It is very poorly designed and clunky. I'm not an expert, and couldn't build my own site, but I've been on plenty of sites. This one doesn't "feel" right. And the prices I saw are simply too good to be true. 1/3 the price you can pay for bulk rate at one of the big suppliers. not gonna happen in reality. Not for a quality product. Let's give the benefit of the doubt for a moment, and say that it is a legit business. If they have such a poor quality on-line presence, do you really want to give them access to your bank account? Not I.
Don't worry Chux I've been insulted by professionals, so deknow's little dig is water off a ducks back :wink:
Yes deknow I missed a phone number, which after checking is unlisted. Very strange that a legitimate company who wants to sell their products would have an unlisted number.
But lets imagine that you put caution to the wind and make a large order and it doesn't show. Now you want to track the company down and get a refund.
Would you go to:
383 Jefferson Ave, Rahway, New Jersey
A private address
or
315 Ovington Av Suite 5G, Brooklyn,New York
Actually Suite is misleading as it's not a business but an apartment block, the correct address is apartment 5G
or
115 W 30th St #203, New York, NY 10001
You may need to ask the photographers studio staff where the company is.
or
230 73Rd St Suite 6C, Brooklyn, New York
Again it should be apartment, not Suite.
or
230 73Rd St Apt 1H, Brooklyn, New York
or
17096 Collins Ave. Sunny Isles Beach, FL.
or
East Coast Warehousing, 1300 Lower Road Linden, New Jersey
1.7 million square feet of warehouse space and 268 loading docks. Yes, I would consider this a major warehouse, and you can see it from orbit :cool:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/1300+Lower+Rd,+Linden,+NJ+07036/@40.610807,-74.2426932,562m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c3b36aec607299:0x6aaf5d24412871a3 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/1300+Lower+Rd,+Linden,+NJ+07036/@40.610807,-74.2426932,562m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x89c3b36aec607299:0x6aaf5d24412871a3)
Because these are all the addresses used by Mr. Suer for mailing, business registrations and trademark registrations
For me this thread has now become circular and I don't want to play anymore. Deknow, if you want to risk your money with this company, please feel free, but let the forum knows how it turns out for you. Me, I wouldn't touch it with a very long pole.
Neil,
Thanks for taking the time to investigate this.
Jim
I could go through all that tracking after I have a problem....or I could do the smart thing and deal with it through the credit card I used to make the purchase (I would not use PayPal with abarge order). The risk (even if it is a scam) is negligable.
But from my perspective, this is what a lot of business look like these days. It doesnt seem any stranger to claim rented warehouse address is 'your warehouse' (after all, that's where pickup and deliveries take place) than it does for rented server space to be called ' your server'....or a rented apartment to be 'your home'.
It's worth noting that empty honey jars (even by the pallet) are not big money items (hard to imagine masterminding an empty bulk honey jar scheme....very small target audience compared to almost anything else I can imagine).
...and neil, I was not trying to 'dig' at you. What you did was no different than when a forum member takes on the role of spelling police and ends up spilling instead of spelling.
The title of this thread is "Is honeyjars.net a scam?"
I posted my answer/opinion and the reason why. Just trying to help out :wink:
When I tried to place an order (using some false info, just checking to see about the pricing for shipping), I was not given the option to pay by credit card. They told me my order was being processed, and to send them a check. If they are a legit business, I assume that after they cash my check, they will send me the order. If they are not legit, they will cash my check and send me nothing. I will begin looking into tracking them down and getting my money back, but will realize that the hassle and money it will cost to get my money back is not worth it. They keep my money and continue the scam. Which is more likely????
If there is anyone on this forum who wants to suggest that this is a legit business, given what we have heard, please "put your money where your mouth is." You make an order. When you get your order and are satisfied, come back and tell us all about the great deal. We will thank you, and I will likely be buying from them too.
Sounds like a good deal -- for them. Okay, while you're at it, send me a check, too, Chux. Maybe not a scam, but anybody sending a check with no promised quid pro quo can't complain. Any legitimate business accepts credit cards or Pay Pal. My daughter has 3 online businesses and from day one has accepted cards or Pay Pal. Checks are too much bother for merchants and customer.
Run. Do not walk. Run FAST.
IMHO...
It sounds like no 1 here has done any business with this company. And a lot of comments are just projections.
BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :smile:
:shocked: smells like a duck...
:cool: looks like a duck...
! It's wabbit season !
An update on my digging.
Mr. Suer registered the domain name 'Honeyjars.net' on 07-14-2015 and has an almost complete and working web site.
Mr. Suer registered the domain name 'Honeybottles.net' on 07-15-2015 and has a work in progress web site.
It will be interesting to see how this web site evolves
http://honeybottles.net/wp/ (http://honeybottles.net/wp/)
MR Ducks.
:grin:
If you have not seen this yet, the full MR ducks goes:
MR Ducks.
MR not.
OSAR CM Wings.
L Ill Be. MR Ducks.
:grin:
Jim
Quote from: sawdstmakr on September 14, 2015, 01:32:22 PM
If you have not seen this yet, the full MR ducks goes:
MR Ducks.
MR not.
OSAR CM Wings.
L Ill Be. MR Ducks.
:grin:
Jim
OSMR2. CM Wings?
L I B. MR Ducks.
L I B. MT Ducks
A little different, but about the same.
I have no idea if the company is legit or not but...
I remember a day not so far past when if you didn't have a secretary to answer your land line phone you didn't have a legitimate business. You also had to have a business phone listed in the white pages of the phone book and probably a yellow pages listing as well. Last time I called Microsoft I spent hours and never found a human being. Same with Autodesk. It took me more than an hour to get a human at my bank. I spent months trying to find a physical address for Hughes Net. Most small businesses now have only a cell phone and that is on the hip of the guy in charge. Things change.
Some companies are in limbo as far as doing business on the web. Sometimes you do better just calling them. honeyjars.net has the icons at the bottom for PayaPal, Amazon, Skirll, Visa Discover, and MasterCard. I'm guessing they should take any of those as payment...
On a related note, the county finally will take a card but charges back the fee so it gets added onto the total. Not so long ago they would not take a card for anything. I do business with a lot of places that can't or don't take credit cards including the only place in town that there is to eat out...
And just above those credit card icons are links to:
Contact us, goes to an e-mail address
Terms and Conditions, goes to a '404 Page not found'
Returns and Exchanges, '404 Page not found'
Shipping '404 Page not Found'
Customer Service. Goes nowhere as it's just text, no link
And so you know this posting is genuine
(http://www.credit-card-logos.com/images/multiple_credit-card-logos-2/credit_card_echeck_logos_1.gif)
Running shoes, starting blocks and sprint away, don't run
Are the prices that much better. If I did the math right a 12 oz pet bear would be about .05 cheaper. Than a 365 piece bear order with Mann Lake. That includes the top. Mann Lake pet I think in free shipping over $100 add shipping for the other company. Also looks like quantities to buy would have to be higher with this company being discussed. Like 850 caps etc. Maybe not for you bigger guys but 850 bears would take me a while...but I have not done the time math :smile:
Dallasbeek, the check is in the mail. If this is a legit business, I would expect someone on the forum from the local area, to speak up. Not hearing anything from anybody about doing business with them. Just conjecture. I did go as far as to start the order process, just to check shipping pricing. I tell you, smells fishy.
So, who would you have made the check out to? What address would you mail it to? How would you choose to have it shipped?
None of this is offered at checkout.
It is hard to imagine a scam that doesn't offer you a way to send them money.
The only way I could get scammed by them even if I was trying would be to guess at an address to send the check to, guess who to make the check out to, and plan to pick up the order in person.
Anyone that would try that hard to send money probably already doesnt have any money left to send.
Anyone send an e-mail yet. Maybe so and I missed it up top somewhere. I sent an e-mail with a copy of this thread. It will give them a chance to reply to the questions. We will see if they respond.... if not weeellllllll....
Yes, I sent them an email on Sept. 11 with a link to this thread. So far, they haven't responded nor signed on and replied.
OK, this just got really weird.
I went to the link first posted in this thread and the Returns & Delivery link now works. The weird part? any returns are to be sent to 30 South Park Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94108. There is no South Park Avenue, but there is a South Park Street and number 30 is a small doorway next to the Grasshopper hair salon. A bit of digging and 30 South Park Avenue is used as a demo address for a company called CompanyName, https://www.companyname.com (https://www.companyname.com) who sell domain names, like this
http://demo.samuli.me/wp/smartstart/contact/ (http://demo.samuli.me/wp/smartstart/contact/)
and this
http://frogcityfuel.com/contact-us.html (http://frogcityfuel.com/contact-us.html)
and this
http://bootstrapmaster.com/live/magnus/contact.html (http://bootstrapmaster.com/live/magnus/contact.html)
and this
http://nedcall.com/contact/ (http://nedcall.com/contact/)
There's lots more, and they all have the same phone number (123) 456 7890, but you get the point.
The most interesting one is this:
http://avatrudyvirtualtarot.com/product/the-rider-tarot-deck/ (http://avatrudyvirtualtarot.com/product/the-rider-tarot-deck/)
Go to the returns link. Look familiar?
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I sent them an email (I dont recall what day)....asking for pricing and availabilty (for some products listed, and some that were not listed...like glaas half pou d jars). I have not heard back. My email was sincere, not some kind of bait.
Well deknow, it really seems like you want to stand up for the "not a scam" side. I'm all for an open mind and all, but it's getting pretty obvious at this point. When I "baited" them with my started order, I did give them an email address.They sent me an email, telling me to send a check. Gave me an address to mail it to. Sorry to say that I deleted the email after replying and telling them to cancel the "order." And no, I wasn't baiting them. I was trying to figure out how much they charged for shipping. They never told me in the order process. Any other site I have ordered from handled things very differently. Buttons to confirm orders and such. They had none of that.
I'm guessing that you have never set up an ecommerce site....I don't mean _have_ an ecommerce site, I mean setup a site on a server probably using some sort of PHP based CMS, install (or build) some PHP add on for ecommerce, buy various modules from various vendors to handle things like shipping based on weight, size, and address, taking credit cards, customizing templates and checkout fields, organizing the store (after about 5 items you figure out that not everything can be on top) so that customers can/will find what they need, getting photos taken and proper images associated with the proper product....
I have, and what I've seen is what it looks like while you are trying to put it together. There are various ways to streamline the process or use services that take care of some of the details...but this is generally the process, and if you've never done it before (even if you have but don't do it all the time) it takes a lot of time....step by step. I can't tell you the number of hours I put into redoing our site/store (I won't link to it to keep the commercial content down...but my username dot Com forwards to it I think)...and even then, not everything is perfect...but it's pretty good (the big advance is that the entire checkout procedure happens on a single page all at once without going to a payment website at any time).
I would be interested if you could find the email in your trash folder....on the site the address to send the check to is simply unpopulated fields
QuoteCheque Payment
Please send your cheque to Store Name, Store Street, Store Town, Store State / County, Store Postcode
I'm not defending them...I just don't think this smells like a scam...a scam would make it easier to send them money, and probably would target a larger group of people than beekeepers buying jars in bulk. It smells more like someone got a good deal on a partial container load of jars and has them stored, and is working on channels to sell them...and doesn't have time or reason to make the site functional.
I wouldn't send a check based only on an email from them....but I think it is sloppy/unfinished, not scammy.
Quote from: deknow on September 15, 2015, 04:55:38 PM
I sent them an email (I dont recall what day)....asking for pricing and availabilty (for some products listed, and some that were not listed...like glaas half pou d jars). I have not heard back. My email was sincere, not some kind of bait.
I don't de-know if the finger is wagging at me :wink: My e-mail was not bait... I just thought it was perhaps a way to nip it in the bud for them to see and make a statement, even if in a return e-mail. I guess I am a little sheltered but I would have never flagged the site as not legit. I thought the features on the site worked, except I guess it is pick-up only? Not sure but it would not calculate shipping. And as I said above the prices did not seem much better than the supplier I mentioned above, just on 12 oz bears however. The nickle you saved would surely be eaten up in shipping...unless I totally did the math wrong. And that is entirely possible :oops:
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The checkout screen clearly says 'pickup only'.
When. I said that my email was not bait, I was not trying to insult you....I was saying that I legitimately and actually buy jars by the pallet....my email was actually an inquiry about prices of something I would consider buying from them.
Quote from: deknow on September 16, 2015, 08:01:00 AM
The checkout screen clearly says 'pickup only'.
When. I said that my email was not bait, I was not trying to insult you....I was saying that I legitimately and actually buy jars by the pallet....my email was actually an inquiry about prices of something I would consider buying from them.
I was a little confused about the pick-up only because I saw the calculate shipping option. I too was legitimately interested. Just thought an e-mail was a way for the company to clear the air........no better way to nip it in the bud than to address potential consumer doubts...maybe they are too busy or like someone said are selling a few overrun loads and it ain't worth the trouble to reply...their option. I have no reason to think it is a scam. As someone said, what a small target audience if a scam. If I am going to scam I would choose something that appeals to masses....like maybe.... toilet paper :shocked: :wink:
Quote from: deknow on September 16, 2015, 12:05:43 AM
I would be interested if you could find the email in your trash folder....on the site the address to send the check to is simply unpopulated fields
QuoteCheque Payment
Please send your cheque to Store Name, Store Street, Store Town, Store State / County, Store Postcode
I checked my other email folder. There it was. The address they say to send the cheque to is the same as the empty fields you mention. Now that you mention it, a scammer would probably make it much easier to send money to him/her.
But...1) If this were a scam, it is probably only one of many that the scammer is running. Takes little effort to set up this site, and dozens like it, hitting different smaller target demographics. 2) If it is a legit business, but is this slip-shod online, I would not do business with them unless they were local to me and face to face.
I have gotten emails from folks all over the world, trying to run one scam or another. Some stories are better than others. In each case, I laugh to myself thinking it is silly that they would think to take me in. Then I think, they must be taking somebody in. So maybe this site is a poor attempt at a scam from a newbie? Maybe it is a legit business trying to get off the ground? If the latter, sounds like they have been alerted to this discussion, and would surely chime in to defend themselves and drum up some business??
Quote from: chux on September 16, 2015, 09:33:00 AM
sounds like they have been alerted to this discussion, and would surely chime in to defend themselves and drum up some business??
BINGO!!! We have a winner!
deknow.,....
There are a few distributors in New England that does handle glass classic honey jars maybe you have done business with them before. It just seems to me like it would be cheaper on shipping and handling.
Are you and Dean buying glassware by the trailer load yet ??
BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)
Not by the trailer load....but certainly by the pallet.
I've been amazed at how cheap freight shipping is (on pallets)...1000 lbs on a pallet ships for well under $100. When you compare that what it costs to ship a few small boxes, it is staggering.
Since you know the area Jim, we are in the old Union Products (pink lawn flamingo) factory on 117....so we have access to loading docks.
I do have to side with deknow on his observation.
In my cop career I did find that the true scam websites were constructed by professionals and seemed completely legitimate. This site is very slipshod and seems to have been put together to a price rather than a standard.
Still wouldn't trust it though :wink:
Wow, three pages wondering about this jar site.The site is likely legit, No guarantees here mind you. But the site owner shouldn't have made that page available to the world until things were more functional. I'm sure the particular page raised questions from more than Foxhound.
And if it is "pickup" only,I'm not sure I would have a dded a nonfunctioning shipping calculator.
Obviously, there's not a lot going on in the hive, huh?
Deknow,
I think you are correct. Just a poorly run business and a badly designed website.
I still will not be sending them my money.
Jim
Quote from: sawdstmakr on September 16, 2015, 08:09:49 PM
Deknow,
I think you are correct. Just a poorly run business and a badly designed website.
I still will not be sending them my money.
Jim
Not if they give as much attention to their customers as they do their website :wink:
Yeah Johnny Appleseed country/ plastic city haha hope you and Dean are doing well. And yes I know exactly where that building is at. You the only one in that building or did the owner section are off. Or maybe you bought it oh well. I did move to New Hampshire and my bees are in Vernon, Vermont. The farmer I have my bees now is a organic dairy farm their main product is yogurt. He did buy a bunch of fencing for his farm and bought a trailer load.It came from South Carolina $850 for delivery and the product was about 45% cheaper then from a New England distributor from the exact same manufacturer.
Hope to see you soon I will be going to the fall Massachusetts Beekeepers Association at the Red Apple Farm in Phillipston ,Massachusetts hope you can make it. And yes my bees are close to Yankee nuclear power plant in Vernon, Vermont
http://massbee.org/meetings/2015-fall-meeting
BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)
Let me preface my comment with I won't be sending them a check or 'cheque' as the case may be.
Consider it's a recently created site. As others have said, things take time to set up.
Also consider, someone who speaks spanish (hors), wants to start a business.
But also consider, that the template builder speaks spanish and the generic fields were not changed.
As far as the e-mail back goes, consider it wasn't a person, but a computer generated acknowledgement using the same generic fields.
Consider someone who is good at work, is not so good at fiddling with computer software.
And then, consider how many of you use a name such as so-and-so honey farms. But if people were to go to your "farm", they might say it's not legitimate. There's only 10 hives. In your back yard. And you bottle it in your garage. That's not legit.
What is "legit"? Many people try to appear bigger than they are. This guy may want to start a reselling jar business. He has to start somewhere. And any "legit" business would start small instead of going into debt. Otherwise, if he had a fancy physical storefront, a fancy warehouse, you send your check, and the bank forecloses on him. What is "legit".
It's just in this case, this guy is not yet set up for business. He started a web site but has not finished it, whether scam or real. It may be a dream. He may be busy getting other things together. He may no longer be there except for the server computer. Not likely he even has the jars, yet. Currently, I don't see he's scamming anyone because no one would know where to send the check. Doubt very many could be taken no matter how bad they wanted to part with their money.
He's just not ready for business.
Here's my question.. How did anyone hear about this site? if it was found just browsing google, then the bots may have found his site and added it to the search engines. He may have started it and then canned the whole idea before it was ever off the ground good. I have found in my business that people buy domain names and put up websites to only discard the idea but never take the site down. if he advertised it (banners, sent out spam...) then he is probably scamming.
another possibility is he is domain squatting. Putting up something that the domain name is associated with in the hopes of later selling that domain name to a big company that wants it. I see that all the time..
Prices seem WAY too cheap IMO. I always go with my gut and the good ole' saying "If it looks too good to be true...it probably is!"
I usually source supplies like this from http://beehivekits.org (http://beehivekits.org).
Reliable and have never had an issue with an order. Good luck!
bman, I went to that site, but found no way to contact them. Am I missing something?
iddee - at the top right of any page, you will see social icons (youtube, facebook, etc)...the one on the right is an envelope icon, that will get you to a contact form. hope that helps!
It looks like the site was created in June of this year and is registered to the someone in New Jersey but he may just be the web developer
He also owns:
bestpicklottosoftware.info
bestpick4lotto.com
pick3lottosystem.com
bestpick5lotto.com
First Name Biagio
Last Name Iellimo
Telephone 9737275736
Email
[email protected]
Quote from: Hi-Tech on September 24, 2015, 12:02:13 PM
Here's my question.. How did anyone hear about this site?
I had been thinking that, too.
Quote from: bman23 on September 24, 2015, 01:14:43 PM
I usually source supplies like this from http://beehivekits.org (http://beehivekits.org).
Quote from: Hi-Tech on September 24, 2015, 04:31:55 PM
It looks like the site was created in June of this year and is registered to the someone in New Jersey but he may just be the web developer
He also owns:
bestpicklottosoftware.info
bestpick4lotto.com
pick3lottosystem.com
bestpick5lotto.com
First Name Biagio
Last Name Iellimo
Telephone 9737275736
Email [email protected]
Sounds kind of suspicious to me....
Now if bman gets supplies from there with no problems, and the site was created June of this year, and the guy (or developer) also owns lotto sites, then there's nothing that says honeyjars.net can't be a good site. If it's ever implemented.
While one needs to be suspicious, one also needs to not be too critical. A lot of people who do good work do not do so well with paperwork and computers.
I find it amusing, that if you look at the site, foxhoundbeecompany, from the one who started this thread, and choose Shop=>Our Products, it shows for the product, Beginner Hive Kit - Medium Boxes, "Image Coming Soon". :wink:
:sad: I cant believe this subject made it to 4 pages LOL.
Quote from: KeyLargoBees on September 25, 2015, 02:29:54 PM
:sad: I cant believe this subject made it to 4 pages LOL.
With no answer!
I haven't seen where anyone has been able get a return call or answer from this company.
Jim
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when my chicken eats those crickets then the thread will be dead... :cheesy:
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4 pages and no one doing business with them. For positive or negative outcomes .Like I said before it's all just conjecture. :wink:
BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :smile:
I never heard back. Not sure if it's a scam or just someone who never got off the ground. Either way, I'll be staying far away.
Hi Everybody
Products are not ready to ship yet. They will be available very soon. honeyjars.net is a 100% legit website. We are still in the process of putting things together. The website almost developed yet but there may be few missing links etc. We are aware of it and working on them. Please bare with us. The products would be available and start shipping soon very soon.
At this point all shipment and payment options are all disabled. We don't accept any sort of payments.
We are quite surprised and happy that we have created such a busy topic. Please send your emails to
[email protected]. Tell us about your packaging needs. Once again we are sorry for any inconvenience.
Thanks honeyjars.net
PS: "Deknow" you are the man :))
Uhhh, now I wonder if this new poster on the forum is a scammer trying to cover his tracks! Just kidding... sorta. I'm glad you posted up here to help set the record straight. I wish you well in your endeavor. Hopefully, once you are up and running, folks will give you a chance. When I start hearing a lot of buzz about your business, I might do the same. I definitely would if I lived close enough to check you out in person.
Wow,
Honeyjars,
First of all welcome to BeeMaster.
Go to preferences and update your location. Normally people put a general location. In your case, I recommend putting your actual address since you will want beeks to bee able to pick up their orders.
One of the great things about this site is that we have beeks on here from almost every part of the globe and there is probably someone close to you that can stop by, see your operation, and end all of the concerns.
We do use a lot of jars.
Jim
Glad you showed up to comment and hopefully set this straight.....Welcome to beemaster. On a side note, advertising on beemaster is through happy customers passing the word. So remember advertising, by the seller, is not allowed on the site :wink:
Again Welcome and hope things get off to a good start.
I think it's time to shut this topic down.They have received more than enough attention, against my better judgement. People can refer their questions to links posted. As sc-bee stated, our mission here is to remain commercial free. :smile: