I would like to ask you about the ??new mite?? that Dr Ramsey brought up in the video Titled: Varroa Does Not Feed on Hemolymph. (??The NEW triple threat mite?? that he is concerned about) . Have you, in your scientific studies or otherwise, heard of this mite? If so, do you know if oxalic acid will also work for this type mite? I certainly hope so, we have a lot to contend with as it is. I did ask him this same question in the comment section, he hasn't yet responded, not only to me, but others as well.
Thanks, Phillip
When tropolapsis hits beekeeping is OVER.
Nothing is working at this time on this mite. Gestation cycle is extremely fast and that makes for a limited management strategy.
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The Tropilaelaps Mite is indeed bad news for American beekeeping. They reproduce much more rapidly than the Varroa Mite. They are however susceptible to thermal treatment just as the Varroa Mite is in the capped brood. I would speculate the Tropilaelaps Mite is also susceptible to formic acid treatments such as MAQS in this fashion as well. Checkmite is thought to be effective againt the Tropilaelaps Mite.
https://beeinformed.org/2012/07/24/tropilaelaps-mites/ (https://beeinformed.org/2012/07/24/tropilaelaps-mites/)
http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/index.cfm?pageid=92 (http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/index.cfm?pageid=92)
http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/downloadDocument.cfm?id=1309 (http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/downloadDocument.cfm?id=1309)
Empirically, imho, it seems that many of the -devastating- pests and diseases that eventually hit north american western/european bees (mellifera) originate in the asian honey bee (cerena). Much of the problems could be anticipated by studying the natural challenges to cerena and much can be learned by how cerena deals with those. From such studies and observations, look for insights of what may be transferable and practical to apply to honeybee management of mellifera.
Not a definitive answer, but perhaps a guide as to where all should focus attentions in anticipation of the next epidemic of the honey bee.
Thanks to you trio of (heavy hitters) I very much appreciate each response, as I?m sure others will as well... I figured when a varroa scientist was concerned We had better be as well. Mr Live Oak, I will investigate the links that you so graciously posted later tonight. I am anxious....
Phillip
One more thing Mr Live Oak. The above stated by you makes me think even harder about the mighty mite thermal that you told me about before. As I stated, I am looking forward to you posted links tonight,
Phillip
I did read some research that said Tropilaelaps was being controlled with OA. If we do get the mite we may have to treat it with something like Aluen CAP.
Ben, you have informed me. I have no knowledge of this new mite. That is going to change, as now I will study beginning with every post on this thread.
Another good catch, Phil.
Blessings
Van
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5681254/#!po=1.08696
Article from PubMed, NIH, the Library of Congress. In plain English: a bonafide article.
Van
Quote from: van from Arkansas on August 05, 2019, 03:43:33 PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5681254/#!po=1.08696
Article from PubMed, NIH, the Library of Congress. In plain English: a bonafide article.
Van
Thank you Mr Van. I will also read your post tonight when time affords.
Phillip
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The problem mite, Tropilaelaps. Pronounced: Tro pi e laps
Has this mite been seen in the US yet, or is it just something we are guarding against at this point?
Quote from: van from Arkansas on August 05, 2019, 04:41:20 PM
The problem mite, Tropilaelaps. Pronounced: Tro pi e laps
Sorry to correct you, Mr. Van, but I believe that you are missing an L in that pronunciation guide. Tro-pi-
le-laps. Also, if my Latin knowledge serves me here, I would assume the accent to be on the 2nd to last syllable. In case anyone but me cares. :cheesy:
Thank you Member for the correction, I stop arguing pronunciation long ago and will accept your pronounce as correct. So no need to apologize, but that was nice of you.
Cheers
Van
>Has this mite been seen in the US yet, or is it just something we are guarding against at this point?
It has not. The USDA is keeping an eye out. As long as Canada keeps importing packages, though, it's inevitable.
Quote from: Michael Bush on August 05, 2019, 11:39:16 PM
>Has this mite been seen in the US yet, or is it just something we are guarding against at this point?
It has not. The USDA is keeping an eye out. As long as Canada keeps importing packages, though, it's inevitable.
Oh, I see. Thank you for the answer, Mr. Bush.
Quote from: Michael Bush on August 05, 2019, 11:39:16 PM
>Has this mite been seen in the US yet, or is it just something we are guarding against at this point?
It has not. The USDA is keeping an eye out. As long as Canada keeps importing packages, though, it's inevitable.
Mr Bush, I am surprised to hear that Canada imports packages. This is concerning. The commercial guys that I have talked to seem to take beekeeping very seriously. Which countries do they import from?
:shocked:
Quote from: van from Arkansas on August 05, 2019, 03:43:33 PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5681254/#!po=1.08696
Article from PubMed, NIH, the Library of Congress. In plain English: a bonafide article.
Van
Excellent article. Thank you for posting Van. ... Lots to think about.
Quote from: Ben Framed on August 06, 2019, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Michael Bush on August 05, 2019, 11:39:16 PM
>Has this mite been seen in the US yet, or is it just something we are guarding against at this point?
It has not. The USDA is keeping an eye out. As long as Canada keeps importing packages, though, it's inevitable.
Mr Bush, I am surprised to hear that Canada imports packages. This is concerning. The commercial guys that I have talked to seem to take beekeeping very seriously. Which countries do they import from?
:shocked:
Approved sources include:
- Queens: New Zealand, Australia, California and Hawaii
- Packages: New Zealand, Australia
Isn?t it amazing that these mites coming here are all from Asia. The same area that has been trying to eliminate Beekeeping in America for decades. It would be very easy to put a few mites in a suitcase, fly to the US and drop them in a remote hive.
Same thing probably happened with the SHB.
Jim Altmiller
Quote from: sawdstmakr on August 06, 2019, 07:51:54 AM
Isn?t it amazing that these mites coming here are all from Asia. The same area that has been trying to eliminate Beekeeping in America for decades. It would be very easy to put a few mites in a suitcase, fly to the US and drop them in a remote hive.
Same thing probably happened with the SHB.
Jim Altmiller
I am new'er to beekeeping. I did not know that Asia was trying to eliminate beekeeping here. Didn't varroa come form Asia? Does this new mite effect the Asian bee? These answers may very well bi in the threads provided by Live Oak and Van, I had something unexpected last evening and still have not opened the links.
Phillip
The Apis Cerana is not seriously affected by Varro mites because of their gestation period, the mites only enter the drone brood. These bees are smaller than our Apis Mellifera and are capped for a shorter time.
The article does not mention the gestation period for the mites nor does it mention if the mites are normally only found on the drone brood of the Apis Cerana. This is something that we need to know and will have to fineness out about.
Jim Altmiller
I just found this.
The life cycle of Tropilaelaps mites is very similar to that of Varroa mites in many ways, as both species of mites are external feeders which parasitise the brood stages of the honey bee. However, Tropilaelaps mites have a much shorter life cycle, and because of this, have a much greater reproductive rate than Varroa mites. Because of this greater reproductive rate, research has shown that in some hives there can be around 25 Tropilaelaps mites to every Varroa mite in a honey bee colony. However, unlike Varroa mites which can survive on adult bees for quite a few months, Tropilaelaps mites can only live for around 3 days on an adult worker bee as the adult Tropilaelaps mite mouthpiece cannot pierce the adult wall membrane, and therefore, cannot feed on adult worker bees. For this reason, Tropilaelaps mites spend the majority of their life in the brood and will continue to breed and survive in a honey bee colony as long as there is brood present.
Jim Altmiller
And now for the rest of the story.
A female Tropilaelaps mite will enter worker and drone brood cells that are in the process of being capped and lay 1?4 eggs (though typically 3 or 4). The development from egg to adult takes approximately one week and the adult mites (usually about 2?3) will emerge from the brood cell along with the emerging young adult bee. While in the capped cell the larval/nymph stage of the mite is white in colour and feeds on the developing brood. Adult Tropilaelaps mites are active, red-brown mites around 1mm in length and typically 0.5mm wide, about one third the size of a Varroa mite. Considering that Tropilaelaps mites cannot survive for very long on adult bees, the vast majority of adult mites (>95 per cent) will typically mate and re-enter a brood cell to lay more eggs within 2 days of the adult bee emerging from the capped brood cell.
Jim Altmiller
Very educational Jim. Thank you for supplying this data.
Based on this information, it would seem that freezing all of the brood frames (minus the adult bees) once or twice a year, along with a simultaneous treetment of the (now broodless) adult bee population would be an effective control strategy for these mites.
Quote from: CoolBees on August 06, 2019, 03:11:19 PM
Very educational Jim. Thank you for supplying this data.
Based on this information, it would seem that freezing all of the brood frames (minus the adult bees) once or twice a year, along with a simultaneous treetment of the (now broodless) adult bee population would be an effective control strategy for these mites.
X2 . Thanks very much, and to all who have responded.
Phillip
With only 30 hives with 2 to 3 brood boxes per hive, that will take forever.
:angry:
No thanks.
Jim Altmiller
Quote from: sawdstmakr on August 06, 2019, 03:19:05 PM
With only 30 hives with 2 to 3 brood boxes per hive, that will take forever.
:angry:
No thanks.
Jim Altmiller
Quote from: Ben Framed on August 06, 2019, 03:16:35 PM
Quote from: CoolBees on August 06, 2019, 03:11:19 PM
Very educational Jim. Thank you for supplying this data.
Based on this information, it would seem that freezing all of the brood frames (minus the adult bees) once or twice a year, along with a simultaneous treetment of the (now broodless) adult bee population would be an effective control strategy for these mites.
X2 . Thanks very much, and to all who have responded.
Phillip
I was referring to the ?? very educational Jim. Thank you for supplying this data? part. Was on the go. Should have edited.
No matter what, if the new mite does hit home. We will have to do something to correct this pest. Live Oak may have the best answer, as there will not be an easy answer unless research comes up with a better plan. The Mighty Mite may be the very best option. Not as fast as oxalic acid but at least we have a real effective way to get it done? What are your thoughts?
Phillip
For those of us who have a definitive near broodless period for months on end, this mite may be manageable.
The severity of impact may turn out to be regional / climate based.
Quote from: TheHoneyPump on August 07, 2019, 01:50:36 AM
For those of us who have a definitive near broodless period for months on end, this mite may be manageable.
The severity of impact may turn out to be regional / climate based.
Hopefully this mite won?t arrive in my county or yours. You are probably right about your situation in the case that they do arrive there. At least I hope so. It must be nice to live in such a honey producing part of the world. And let?s remember, you do not have to deal with the Small Hive Beetle either, correct?
The last few videos that I have watched by Ian Steppler are real eye openers as to the volume of honey per hive that can be produced, when managed properly in a prime location and circumstances.
Phillip