Mite Question for van from Arkansas

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Ben Framed

August 05, 2019, 11:24:55 AM Last Edit: August 08, 2019, 04:04:05 PM by Ben Framed
I would like to ask you about the ??new mite?? that Dr Ramsey brought up in the video Titled: Varroa Does Not Feed on Hemolymph.  (??The NEW triple threat mite?? that he is concerned about) . Have you, in your scientific studies or otherwise, heard of this mite? If so, do you know if oxalic acid will also work for this type mite? I certainly hope so, we have a lot to contend with as it is. I did ask him this same question in the comment section, he hasn't yet responded, not only to me, but others as well. 
Thanks, Phillip

Troutdog

#1
August 05, 2019, 11:50:45 AM
When tropolapsis hits beekeeping is OVER.
Nothing is working at this time on this mite. Gestation cycle is extremely fast and that makes for a limited management strategy.

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Live Oak

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August 05, 2019, 12:51:07 PM
The Tropilaelaps Mite is indeed bad news for American beekeeping.  They reproduce much more rapidly than the Varroa Mite.  They are however susceptible to thermal treatment just as the Varroa Mite is in the capped brood.  I would speculate the Tropilaelaps Mite is also susceptible to formic acid treatments such as MAQS in this fashion as well.  Checkmite is thought to be effective againt the Tropilaelaps Mite.

https://beeinformed.org/2012/07/24/tropilaelaps-mites/

http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/index.cfm?pageid=92

http://www.nationalbeeunit.com/downloadDocument.cfm?id=1309

TheHoneyPump

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August 05, 2019, 01:46:01 PM
Empirically, imho, it seems that many of the -devastating- pests and diseases that eventually hit north american western/european bees (mellifera) originate in the asian honey bee (cerena). Much of the problems could be anticipated by studying the natural challenges to cerena and much can be learned by how cerena deals with those. From such studies and observations, look for insights of what may be transferable and practical to apply to honeybee management of mellifera.

Not a definitive answer, but perhaps a guide as to where all should focus attentions in anticipation of the next epidemic of the honey bee. 
When the lid goes back on, the bees will spend the next 3 days undoing most of what the beekeeper just did to them.

Ben Framed

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August 05, 2019, 01:58:57 PM Last Edit: August 05, 2019, 02:51:26 PM by Ben Framed
Thanks to you trio of (heavy hitters) I very much appreciate each response, as I?m sure others will as well... I figured when a varroa scientist was concerned We had better be as well. Mr Live Oak, I will investigate the links that you so graciously posted later tonight. I am anxious....
Phillip

Ben Framed

#5
August 05, 2019, 02:58:04 PM
One more thing Mr Live Oak. The above stated by you makes me think even harder about the mighty mite thermal that you told me about before. As I stated, I am looking forward to you posted links tonight,
Phillip

beesnweeds

#6
August 05, 2019, 03:08:52 PM
I did read some research that said Tropilaelaps was being controlled with OA.  If we do get the mite we may have to treat it with something like Aluen CAP.
Everyone loves a worker.... until its laying.

van from Arkansas

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August 05, 2019, 03:28:08 PM
Ben, you have informed me.  I have no knowledge of this new mite.  That is going to change, as now I will study beginning with every post on this thread.

Another good catch, Phil.
Blessings
Van
I have been around bees a long time, since birth.  I am a hobbyist so my answers often reflect this fact.  I concentrate on genetics, raise my own queens by wet graft, nicot, with natural or II breeding.  I do not sell queens, I will give queens  for free but no shipping.

van from Arkansas

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August 05, 2019, 03:43:33 PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5681254/#!po=1.08696

Article from PubMed, NIH, the Library of Congress.   In plain English: a bonafide article.

Van
I have been around bees a long time, since birth.  I am a hobbyist so my answers often reflect this fact.  I concentrate on genetics, raise my own queens by wet graft, nicot, with natural or II breeding.  I do not sell queens, I will give queens  for free but no shipping.

Ben Framed

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August 05, 2019, 04:28:34 PM
Quote from: van from Arkansas on August 05, 2019, 03:43:33 PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5681254/#!po=1.08696

Article from PubMed, NIH, the Library of Congress.   In plain English: a bonafide article.

Van

Thank you Mr Van. I will also read your post tonight when time affords.
Phillip

van from Arkansas

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August 05, 2019, 04:41:20 PM Last Edit: August 05, 2019, 05:00:35 PM by van from Arkansas
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The problem mite, Tropilaelaps.  Pronounced: Tro pi e laps
I have been around bees a long time, since birth.  I am a hobbyist so my answers often reflect this fact.  I concentrate on genetics, raise my own queens by wet graft, nicot, with natural or II breeding.  I do not sell queens, I will give queens  for free but no shipping.

The15thMember

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August 05, 2019, 05:06:19 PM
Has this mite been seen in the US yet, or is it just something we are guarding against at this point? 

Quote from: van from Arkansas on August 05, 2019, 04:41:20 PM
The problem mite, Tropilaelaps.  Pronounced: Tro pi e laps
Sorry to correct you, Mr. Van, but I believe that you are missing an L in that pronunciation guide.  Tro-pi-le-laps.  Also, if my Latin knowledge serves me here, I would assume the accent to be on the 2nd to last syllable.  In case anyone but me cares.   :cheesy: 
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van from Arkansas

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August 05, 2019, 05:29:15 PM

Thank you Member for the correction, I stop arguing pronunciation long ago and will accept your pronounce as correct.  So no need to apologize, but that was nice of you.

Cheers
Van
I have been around bees a long time, since birth.  I am a hobbyist so my answers often reflect this fact.  I concentrate on genetics, raise my own queens by wet graft, nicot, with natural or II breeding.  I do not sell queens, I will give queens  for free but no shipping.

Michael Bush

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August 05, 2019, 11:39:16 PM
>Has this mite been seen in the US yet, or is it just something we are guarding against at this point? 

It has not.  The USDA is keeping an eye out.  As long as Canada keeps importing packages, though, it's inevitable.
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The15thMember

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August 06, 2019, 12:08:40 AM
Quote from: Michael Bush on August 05, 2019, 11:39:16 PM
>Has this mite been seen in the US yet, or is it just something we are guarding against at this point? 

It has not.  The USDA is keeping an eye out.  As long as Canada keeps importing packages, though, it's inevitable.
Oh, I see. Thank you for the answer, Mr. Bush.
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Ben Framed

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August 06, 2019, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Michael Bush on August 05, 2019, 11:39:16 PM
>Has this mite been seen in the US yet, or is it just something we are guarding against at this point? 

It has not.  The USDA is keeping an eye out.  As long as Canada keeps importing packages, though, it's inevitable.

Mr Bush, I am surprised to hear that Canada imports packages. This is concerning. The commercial guys that I have talked to seem to take beekeeping very seriously.  Which countries do they import from?
:shocked:

CoolBees

#16
August 06, 2019, 01:12:24 AM
Quote from: van from Arkansas on August 05, 2019, 03:43:33 PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5681254/#!po=1.08696

Article from PubMed, NIH, the Library of Congress.   In plain English: a bonafide article.

Van

Excellent article. Thank you for posting Van. ... Lots to think about.
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TheHoneyPump

#17
August 06, 2019, 02:05:08 AM
Quote from: Ben Framed on August 06, 2019, 12:10:53 AM
Quote from: Michael Bush on August 05, 2019, 11:39:16 PM
>Has this mite been seen in the US yet, or is it just something we are guarding against at this point? 

It has not.  The USDA is keeping an eye out.  As long as Canada keeps importing packages, though, it's inevitable.

Mr Bush, I am surprised to hear that Canada imports packages. This is concerning. The commercial guys that I have talked to seem to take beekeeping very seriously.  Which countries do they import from?
:shocked:

Approved sources include:
- Queens:  New Zealand, Australia, California and Hawaii
- Packages:  New Zealand, Australia

When the lid goes back on, the bees will spend the next 3 days undoing most of what the beekeeper just did to them.

BeeMaster2

#18
August 06, 2019, 07:51:54 AM
Isn?t it amazing that these mites coming here are all from Asia. The same area that has been trying to eliminate Beekeeping in America for decades. It would be very easy to put a few mites in a suitcase, fly to the US  and drop them in a remote hive.
Same thing probably happened with the SHB.
Jim Altmiller
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Ben Framed

#19
August 06, 2019, 09:58:23 AM
Quote from: sawdstmakr on August 06, 2019, 07:51:54 AM
Isn?t it amazing that these mites coming here are all from Asia. The same area that has been trying to eliminate Beekeeping in America for decades. It would be very easy to put a few mites in a suitcase, fly to the US  and drop them in a remote hive.
Same thing probably happened with the SHB.
Jim Altmiller

I am new'er to beekeeping. I did not know that Asia was trying to eliminate beekeeping here. Didn't varroa come form Asia? Does this new mite effect the Asian bee? These answers may very well bi in the threads provided by Live Oak and Van, I had something unexpected last evening and still have not opened the links.
Phillip
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