Penalties for beekeeping

1of6 · November 29, 2008, 07:54:55 PM

See the following article "Bees Won't Buzz in Hollidaysburg".
http://wearecentralpa.com/content/fulltext/news?cid=44161

What a poor decision.

JP · November 29, 2008, 08:07:22 PM

Should have put up a high fence to keep flight path up, chain link the bees can fly right through.

The reporter said some of their bees were "getting loose" Bahahahahaahahahaahahaahahahaahah!!!

...JP

BjornBee · November 29, 2008, 08:39:29 PM

Edited....
Additional information has been forwarded to me. I hope the best for the situation at hand.

PS...I could not respond to the email sent to me. I would like to email back the person who sent me some info, but not sure what your log in name is. Thank you.

buzzbee · November 30, 2008, 06:28:27 AM

I wonder if the ordinance specifies a infestation.I don't think a contrlled environment qualifies as an infestation ant more than a pet hamster or rabbit. These are both of the rodent family.might be a technicality but may buy some time or force definotions in the ordinance to be revisited.At that point he may be grandfathered.

BeeHopper · November 30, 2008, 07:06:27 AM

Society as a whole has gone bonkers :roll:

Eventually, we'll regulate ourselves out of existence .

mlewis48 · November 30, 2008, 12:04:40 PM

Stupid is as Stupid does.............................. That is why I will never live in a town of any kind. Too many rules with stupid people in control of them.

bassman1977 · November 30, 2008, 12:18:59 PM

The statement about the bees getting loose and coming onto their properties just takes the cake. Imagine that!!! Some people are just !@#$%^ ignorant.

Michael Bush · November 30, 2008, 02:01:25 PM

I know how that can be. My bees got loose once... ;)

1of6 · November 30, 2008, 05:39:09 PM

Quote from: Michael Bush on November 30, 2008, 02:01:25 PM
I know how that can be. My bees got loose once... ;)

Mr. Bush, What ever did you do?? :shock:

1of6 · November 30, 2008, 05:50:38 PM

Quote from: JP on November 29, 2008, 08:07:22 PM
Should have put up a high fence to keep flight path up, chain link the bees can fly right through.
...JP

Fortunately, that's not his property boundary that you're looking at. I believe that his extra supers are inside the chain-link fence.

Quote from: buzzbee on November 30, 2008, 06:28:27 AM
I wonder if the ordinance specifies a infestation.

Yes it does. Here's an older article: http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/508408.html I'm trying to find the Altoona Mirror article that had a copy of the original citation included. I think we're all more than a little taken back that they can interpret an ordinance such as that to cover beekeeping. The whole game changes whenever governing bodies decide they can 'bend' ordinances to stretch the areas they cover.

The president of our regional bee association has visited Mr. Nales home, and has been trying to assist Mr. Nales throughout this process, and some members of the state beekeeping association and other officials are trying to help out as well. Be assured that Mr. Nales has water supply, flight path, and other 'urban beekeeping concerns' addressed with his neighbors' safety in mind.

Our local organization has offered their support, but we need to see what Mr. Nales decided to do - whether or not he decides to appeal further, we should all understand the need for us to stand behind him. Like some others have said - the outcome of this case will help dictate other towns' stances on urban beekeeping - and that will impact a lot of us around here.

PS - Bjorn - THANK YOU - that was me.
PSS - If you check the article link at the top of this post, it quotes the lady as saying her 'husband' is allergic to bees. The video says it's the dog. :roll: :fishhit:

johnnybigfish · November 30, 2008, 08:28:45 PM

I agree with you mlewis...I cant imagine what it would be like to live in town..The way it works is this.........People move to the country and try to make it like in town....Then,...people move into town and try to turn it into the country!...wierd, huh?

your friend,
john

Jerrymac · December 01, 2008, 12:59:27 AM

So it is like making your computer so you can talk on it, and your phone into something to send typed messages...... Weird

dpence · December 01, 2008, 01:16:06 AM

Quote from: Jerrymac on December 01, 2008, 12:59:27 AM
So it is like making your computer so you can talk on it, and your phone into something to send typed messages...... Weird

Something like that...LMAO. As I have said, "you can't fix stupid people". Bees got loose...lmfao.

David

mlewis48 · December 01, 2008, 01:29:32 AM

Quote from: Jerrymac on December 01, 2008, 12:59:27 AM
So it is like making your computer so you can talk on it, and your phone into something to send typed messages...... Weird
I have to agree with you on that. Funny on how things like that work!

.........People move to the country and try to make it like in town....Then,...people move into town and try to turn it into the country!...wierd, huh?

That is somewhat the problem with the area that I live in. They buy 3 or 4 acers and become "Country Folk" overnight. Our biggest problem is the city people that move into our area to retire and think that all of the regulations and codes that they had in the city, need to follow them into the country. Things work just fine, here and we don't need to change.

EasternShore · December 01, 2008, 09:16:05 AM

I live in a rural area with folks behind and next to me. The owners wife behind me is a raving lunatic and has INSISTED I move those nasty critters! Well, my hives are now across the road. Does that stop them from visiting..ahhhh NO.

The good news is they now help the local farmers FOR FREE POLLENATION! I've set all my empty woodware away from her view and will attempt to "control" them...ROFLMAO!

My other neighbor has adjusted well, 1 girl stung him the other day and he laughed with me about it. People, city or otherwise need to be educated, it's THAT SIMPLE! Most alergies are to insects OTHER than Honeybees. I try to teach everyone I come in contact with that.

One event this summer really made me smile. An AC repairman, about 60years old was checking my outside unit, just as a new swarm took off. He looked at it...walked right thru the mass of girls with me and never batted an eye. Did he get hit,,,nope. His only comment was...cool you keep Bees???

Stuff like that gives me hope.

Keep on Keeping folks!!!

Keith13 · December 01, 2008, 02:23:32 PM

Quote from: 1of6 on November 30, 2008, 05:50:38 PM
Quote from: JP on November 29, 2008, 08:07:22 PM
Should have put up a high fence to keep flight path up, chain link the bees can fly right through.
...JP

Fortunately, that's not his property boundary that you're looking at. I believe that his extra supers are inside the chain-link fence.

Quote from: buzzbee on November 30, 2008, 06:28:27 AM
I wonder if the ordinance specifies a infestation.

Yes it does. Here's an older article: http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/content.detail/id/508408.html I'm trying to find the Altoona Mirror article that had a copy of the original citation included. I think we're all more than a little taken back that they can interpret an ordinance such as that to cover beekeeping. The whole game changes whenever governing bodies decide they can 'bend' ordinances to stretch the areas they cover.

The president of our regional bee association has visited Mr. Nales home, and has been trying to assist Mr. Nales throughout this process, and some members of the state beekeeping association and other officials are trying to help out as well. Be assured that Mr. Nales has water supply, flight path, and other 'urban beekeeping concerns' addressed with his neighbors' safety in mind.

Our local organization has offered their support, but we need to see what Mr. Nales decided to do - whether or not he decides to appeal further, we should all understand the need for us to stand behind him. Like some others have said - the outcome of this case will help dictate other towns' stances on urban beekeeping - and that will impact a lot of us around here.

PS - Bjorn - THANK YOU - that was me.
PSS - If you check the article link at the top of this post, it quotes the lady as saying her 'husband' is allergic to bees. The video says it's the dog. :roll: :fishhit:

You would think they would have an ordinance against this aswell to think you could marry a dog:-D

Keith

Shawn · December 01, 2008, 03:32:39 PM

Well....Dont really know where to begin. I agree with Buzzbee, what is the defenition of infestation? The beek should have looked into the local laws before starting the hives also. How can the neighbor say it was their bees that stung the dog? So many questions with no real answers. Im sure there was a rival between the neighbors before the bee thing.

bassman1977 · December 01, 2008, 04:44:32 PM

QuoteYou would think they would have an ordinance against this aswell to think you could marry a dog:-D

...and to think, I thought this only happened in Danville. How about that.

Scadsobees · December 01, 2008, 04:56:58 PM

I wonder how many stings that poor woman's dog would have gotten had they been keeping empty beehives in their yard?

Those nasty bright yellow striped pointy butted honeybees that build their little paper nests all over the place under the decks and eaves!!! They obviously got loose! Oh wait, she obviously saw the little name tags......

:roll:

1of6 · December 01, 2008, 05:34:17 PM

Quote from: Shawn on December 01, 2008, 03:32:39 PM
...The beek should have looked into the local laws before starting the hives also...

Fortunately he did. The article also says "Nale also argued that former Hollidaysburg Borough Manager, Diane Meling, gave him permission to raise the bees in his yard. "

Apparently the new borough manager isn't willing to stand by the decision that the former manager made while in office. :(