going foundationles from an 8 frame nuc on 8 frame gear

Started by windfall, April 13, 2011, 08:09:33 PM

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windfall

I will be picking up a couple of 8 frame nucs in a few weeks. They are overwintered,come in a ten frame box with a frame feeder. I will be loading them into 8 frame equipment (everything is in deeps). I want to try to go foundationless.
What would folks with experience recommend for loading up the new hive bodies. I could obviously just fill an 8 body and  put a box with the empty foundationless frames above or perhaps better yet below.
Might I also break up the frames some? Create open space in or around brood nest for them to start to fill in. Maybe move a frame of stores(I assume one in the nuc will be) down below centered... I can start to imagine a lot of configurations if I really start shuffling things around.
BY Early may our dandelions should be in bloom, but cold nights are not out of the question at all.



Brian D. Bray

Changing a 10 frame hive into an eight frame hive and going foundationless at the same time would cause the frames from the 10 frame box to be distributed amongst the 2 8 frame boxes.  Both boxes where F=foundationless frame and C=frame with comb and B=brood frames.  Thusly: F C F B B F C F   
If there are more than 4 frames of brood then replace one of the C frames with a brood comb of mostly drone brood, That way if the bees must abandon a frame it will be a drone frame rather than a worker frame.  You want to keep the brood frames in the center of both boxes, this allows the bees to cluster over the brood with temperature flucuations and also encourages the queen to use both boxes as brood chambers.  She should start laying in new comb on frames adjacent to the brood frames almost immediately if not sooner.
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windfall

Thanks Brian,
What you outlined makes sense to me. I had considered more or less the same arrangement but was worried that spreading the brood out verticaly (2 over 2) might be too much "surface area" for a nuc to keep warm.