Another size deep hive body?

[ajharwood]

I have heard of a deep hive body used in France that is deeper than the deep hive bodies we use here in the U.S.  I have been told these size hive bodies are better than what we use in the U.S.  Does anyone know what I speak of and what the depth measurement is?  Is has anyone tried this size deep or still does?

[Finski]

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Langstroth is absolutely the most popular frame size in the world. Nothing wrong in it.

Those who has no ability to lift 35 kg weights, they may use mere medium frames. They are many.

Bees live in many kind of combs but in beekeeping most important is the comfort how to work with hives.
It is heavy work and many break his backbone in that job.

[SEEYA]

Nice post Finski  X:X    includes a ruptured disc, Too. :-D

Robo was experimenting with a double deep and BlueBee was working on a deep and half. Then there is the dadant deep. Do you have any dimensions for this French wonder? ( French folks are a lot like Texans - everything's better there :-D)

[BlueBee]

and BlueBee was working on a deep and half.

Not was, I still am :-D 

My frames are 14.5 inches deep.  A shade over 1.5 Langs in size.  10,000 cells per frame.  My current boxes hold 10 frames, my new boxes (in the works) will hold 11 frames.  I believe that's about 15% more brood comb area than Dadants original boxes.  Brother Adam uses(used) 12 frames with Dadant sized brood boxes (11 7/8).  My hives did great last summer and are wintering fine in a single brood box.  Too early to draw too many conclusions though.

If you look on YouTube you can find all kinds of odd sized (relative to US) frames and hives.  I doubt there is a perfect solution. If there were, bee keeping would be much simpler.  I don't really see anything wrong with the lang sized hives, I just don't like the idea of lifting deep boxes nor do I like the idea of sorting through a bunch of small boxes.  As with many things, "better" is in the eye of the beholder.

[Finski]

Nice post Finski  X:X    includes a ruptured disc, Too. :-D

Robo was experimenting with a double deep and BlueBee was working on a deep and half. Then there is the dadant deep. Do you have any dimensions for this French wonder? ( French folks are a lot like Texans - everything's better there :-D)

I use 3 langstroth as brood boxes

[Jim134]

I have heard of a deep hive body used in France that is deeper than the deep hive bodies we use here in the U.S.  I have been told these size hive bodies are better than what we use in the U.S.  Does anyone know what I speak of and what the depth measurement is?  Is has anyone tried this size deep or still does?

The Dadant Deep hive 11 frames and you got  the orignal "Jumbo" was 12 frames Dadant Deeps...

http://forum.beemaster.com/index.php/topic,34989.0.html

[rail]

Research the Dadant-Blatt Hive and Moses Quinby!

I have been researching about the jumbo (11.250") depth frames; Modified Dadant Hive = 11 frames @ 1.5" spacing, Brother Adams Dadant Hive = 12 frames @ 1.5" spacing, Langstroth Jumbo = 10 frames @ 1.375" spacing.

I want to use only one brood chamber and the Langstroth Jumbo fits my needs; 10 frames @ 1.375" spacing or 11 frames @ 1.250" spacing.

It has been explained to me about the importance of the chamber size and frame depth; the taller the frame, then the chamber needs to be narrow, so the bees will work up into the supers.

http://www.beesource.com/forums/showthread.php?262779-Square-Hives-13-Frame-Boxes-Big-Hives-and-Swarming/page8

[Finski]

It has been explained to me about the importance of the chamber size and frame depth; the taller the frame, then the chamber needs to be narrow, so the bees will work up into the supers.

If you look eastern European hives, they are often long hives which has only one layer dadants. Then they extract honey from brood frames.

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[rdy-b]

  what about the chinese how do they do it-- :lol:  RDY-B

[rbinhood]

"If you look eastern European hives, they are often long hives which has only one layer dadants. Then they extract honey from brood frames."

This is not fact at all...you can use a queen excluder in a long hive.  You can build a 30 frame long hive and use 15 frames for the brood section, place a queen excluder at the end of these frames and have 15 frames for honey production.  This method works best if you have a few frames of drawn comb to place in the surplus honey side, shall we say as a pattern for the bees to work with.  This is the only way I will use a queen excluder and I have had great success over many years of using long hives.

There are several advantages to useing long hives over standard hives, you can two queen one using an excluder in the center and a super on each end or with a second excluder over the center of the hive with a top cover on each end.  By
doing this you have two hives working one super which results in faster filling of the honey super which means you get an eariler harvest.  If brood production for making splits is what you are looking for this setup is great, make four three frame nucs and replace the frames with in each end with new frames (NOTE: YOU NEED GOOD STRONG QUEENS).   


But like others have mentioned the perfect method is what works best for you, beekeeping methods are not set in stone, the accepted styles and sizes of hives just make it simpler unless you intend to custom make all your equipment.

Experimentation is one of the joys of beekeeping and the woodworking just adds more enjoyment.

Example:<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/dsc036742.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5813/dsc036742.th.jpg" border="0"/></a>

[kingbee]

... a deep hive body used in France that is deeper than the deep hive bodies we use here in the U.S. ... [are] these size hive bodies ...better than what we use in the U.S...

I think they are better if these hive bodies of which you speak of are the only hive bodies a Frenchman already owns, and he is unwilling to buy others.  Or vice versa for those of us living on this side of the Atlantic.  You know, I never saw two identical hollow trees.

[BlueBee]

what about the chinese how do they do it-- :lol:  RDY-B

Maybe those Pentagon shaped frames Dadant experimented with  ;)

http://books.google.com/books?id=2aNbAAAAMAAJ&dq=dadant&pg=PA11#v=onepage&q=dadant&f=false

[SEEYA]

>>woodworking just adds more enjoyment.
Except for us klutzes, who now pick our nose with our ring finger. :-D

[kingbee]

>>woodworking just adds more enjoyment... Except for us klutzes...

You mean you can still pick you nose?  Awesome! ;)

[Finski]

beekeeping methods are not set in stone, the accepted styles and sizes of hives just make it simpler unless you intend to custom make all your equipment.

Great phisophy!

Question was, do beekeeping of USA should renew the frames size, and then the whole honey processing system to be fitted to new frame size.

You need not only enjoy woodwork. I think that metall works is more enjoyable.


Rad sa dizalicom 22

[Finski]

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Hivelifter V1.AVI

[rbinhood]

>You need not only enjoy woodwork. I think that metall works is more enjoyable. <

Finski,

I second that, I also enjoy smithing such as twisting a little decorative iron along with molding and casting non ferrous metal.  I once even made a one piece deep aluminum hive body....very bad idea, bees did not like it and it was a total waste of time and resources.

At my age I have tried a lot of different things when it comes to keeping bees, some worked and a lot of them did not.  When approached by someone just getting started I always advise them to stay with standard equipment in the beginning and after they get some experience then if they like try their own ideas, who knows they may invent the next best thing to sliced bread.

[Sparky]

COOL videos Finski. As the local bee inspector has said and I agree, ( Beekeepers are some of the most creative, resourceful people he has met. ) Some ideas are great and others, no so much but that is the mother of invention, huh ?