Condensation in an observation hive

[Finski]

Got any pics of condensation in a  honeybee hive ?

They make any sense.  Idea is avoid condensation, not to make it.

[Maryland Beekeeper]

EXACTLY WRONG !! Idea is to ENCOURAGE....... condensation. BELOW thermocline ! IMHO.

[Finski]

EXACTLY WRONG !! Idea is to ENCOURAGE....... condensation. BELOW thermocline !

SORRY!!!!!

[Maryland Beekeeper]

Think about it. You mentioned an important clue in your own hive. I think I posed the question to you before. If you, sealed airtight, added insulation, could you,.......push, the condensation, down the walls ? In other words, can you see how the heat of cluster would keep upper levels of cluster dry, in static atmosphere ?  Water, condensing on walls, tells they are cold enough for vapor to condense, to cold. Solution is insulation not ventilation.  IMHO

[Finski]

Solution is insulation not ventilation.  IMHO

Wrong........
And another wrong is that they are not alternatives.

I have insulation and ventilation in condition, and has been decades.

[Maryland Beekeeper]

:) Oh boy......I tried :)

[BlueBee]

But Finski what if a meteor falls from the sky and knocks a hole in the roof of my well insulated home.  Won't that let out a lot of the heat, even though I'm still insulated?  Maybe Drew's point is:  too much air infiltration, or air loss, defeats the purpose of insulation.?

[BlueBee]

:) Oh boy......I tried :)

I'm a bit confused with your interest in "thermocline" when you're also moving to titanic sized combs (4 feet long).  Seems like the 2 concepts can't possibly work together in harmony?  Yes?  No?

[Finski]

But Finski what if a meteor falls from the sky and knocks a hole in the roof of my well insulated home.

Do you have insuarance?- If you have, then wait 15 minutes before you call to fire station

[Maryland Beekeeper]

BlueBee, Just trying to replicate feral, the way I would expect the phenomena to be,....... of most advantage, to honeybee organism. I see the thermocline @ 12". Below that, free/warm/clean/protected water, above, toasty and dry. Think upside down moonshine still. Think turtle. Look @ your honeybee organism again for the first time. I think it might be natures perfect distillery. :)

[BlueBee]

I'll have to see if I have some photos of bathroom ceilings when people didn't run the bathroom exhaust vent!  It ain't pretty  :-D

I like the idea of a heat bubble / thermocline hive.  Heck I've got a bunch of nucs using that design this winter myself.  However if the stars and planets are not aligned, you can end up with a wet moldy mess.  A hive with a top vent is surely cooler than a hive without such a vent.  However a hive with a top vent is also without a doubt drier.  Sometimes you have to pick your poison  :angel:

[BlueBee]

Do you have insuarance?- If you have, then wait 15 minutes before you call to fire station

Do insurance companies cover your home if it gets hit by a meteor?

[Maryland Beekeeper]

I think you will find that if the bathroom is airtight, warm, and atmosphere static, the water will not condense on the ceiling. But I could be wrong :) Was also thinking that with your nucs the addition of a couple empties on bottom could/should? help B's lower the thermocline.

[derekm]

Got any pics of condensation in a  honeybee hive ?

They make any sense.  Idea is avoid condensation, not to make it.

bees  make condensation regardless ... this is about where it happens
if it occurs inside the insulated space below the bees you get 10% heat back.

[Maryland Beekeeper]

DING ! DING ! DING ! WINNER ! WINNER ! CHICKEN DINNER !  X:X

Also, (and more importantly), if it occurs in insulated space below bee's, you have dry B's !
Cheers,
Drew
p.s. Thank you derekm
p.s.s. My inquiries into thermocline as it regards to honeybee hives has met with some.......misunderstanding, on a British forum. I believe that questions about how the laws of thermodynamics operate in a honeybee hive are valid and legitimate ones.

[Maryland Beekeeper]

Shall we move this over to the thermocline thread ?