Sevin dust

[MikeyN.C.]

I've read that liquid sevin is ok for garden use??? What about the neighbors using sevin dust ????

[Kathyp]

bad stuff.  it blows in the wind, and gets into the soil.  I am not opposed to the use of insecticides where needed, but that's not one i'd touch.  what are they needing to kill and on what? 

[OldMech]

The bees will actually bring it back like pollen...  Guess what happens next?

[MikeyN.C.]

My question was I can't stop my neighbors,1 mile away from using it,so how would you know ????

[MikeyN.C.]

I'm sorry,here in n.c. we have aphids,whiteflys,leafhoppers. in the gardens that natural soaps solution don't work on,they  will reap havoc on young vegetation,i don't use any thing unless I've got a serious problem,this year i have bees,was just thinking i can't stop my neighbors from using it

[BeeMaster2]

It is nasty stuff. That being said, I removed an old truck tool box that had been buried in the bushes for so long that it was buried 8" in the dirt. It took a while to figure out how to open it because the bees had built all of the comb attached to the lid.  We cut the back of the box out and inside was all kinds of old garden material. The bottom of the box had about 2" inches of dead bees. We also found a broken open bad of seven dust. I threw away a lot of honey from that hive.
This was a very large hive with lots of black comb.and lots of bees. It 4 men to pick up this box and more than half of the weight was honey. I think we pulled about 18 medium frames of brood out of this hive. We never found the queen but they did produce a new queen from her genetics. They are still in my apiary 2 years later.
These bees developed the genetics to survive the poison.
Jim

[Kathyp]

Yeah, the bit with the neighbor is hard.  You could try talking to them and finding out what they are dusting and when.  At least it would help you know if your bees are in danger.  A lot of people are willing to help you out when they know you are keeping bees.

My preference with the insecticides is pyrethrin or permectrin.  It breaks down quickly....which is both good and bad.  You just have to be careful about spraying anything that is blooming and will attract the bees and overspraying wees that might attract them.
Also watch your label for withdrawal times for food crop and grazing crops. 

[iddee]

I have convinced my neighbors to use powdered lime instead of insecticides. Cover the plants with it and no insects will get on them. Then when it rains, the lime goes in the ground and raises the PH for a better crop. 

TWO GOODS, NO BADS.

[Dallasbeek]

I'm sorry,here in n.c. we have aphids,whiteflys,leafhoppers. in the gardens that natural soaps solution don't work on,they  will reap havoc on young vegetation,i don't use any thing unless I've got a serious problem,this year i have bees,was just thinking i can't stop my neighbors from using it

I'm a Texas Master Gardener.  Until I went through MG training, I used all kinds of stuff I wouldn't use now.  The only thing I've found that works on whiteflies and most of the other critters you mentioned is neem oil.  It seals off the breathing tubes of the insects and seals their eggs from the air they need to develop.  Has to contact the insect, so residual on plants does no harm to bees.  So organic they even make toothpaste with it in India, where the neem tree grows.  It's marketed as Rose Defence and several other names, but it's all the same. 

[capt44]

We beekeepers can't control the world.
Bees will average around a 2 mile radius of a hive and that covers around 8,400 acres.
If they range out 3 miles that can go up to around 18,000 acres.
So we have to do the best we can.

[MikeyN.C.]

Had an older gentleman (farmer) tell me,last week that when he grew up in the 50's, his father an grandfather had bees,and they didn't have to do anything for them,and then in the 70's with new purchased bees,they had to start baby'in them,and using fog,so he quit, I'm going to ask if he has any old supplies left 

[tefer2]

I'm sorry,here in n.c. we have aphids,whiteflys,leafhoppers. in the gardens that natural soaps solution don't work on,they  will reap havoc on young vegetation,i don't use any thing unless I've got a serious problem,this year i have bees,was just thinking i can't stop my neighbors from using it

I'm a Texas Master Gardener.  Until I went through MG training, I used all kinds of stuff I wouldn't use now.  The only thing I've found that works on whiteflies and most of the other critters you mentioned is neem oil.  It seals off the breathing tubes of the insects and seals their eggs from the air they need to develop.  Has to contact the insect, so residual on plants does no harm to bees.  So organic they even make toothpaste with it in India, where the neem tree grows.  It's marketed as Rose Defence and several other names, but it's all the same.

Just finished reading the label on the Neem oil produced by Bayer Crop Science, it states that it will kill your bees if they are working the foilage it is applied on.

[Dallasbeek]

That's Bayer for you.  They must have something in their stuff besides neem oil.  Green Light's "Rose Defense" only kills if you douse it on the insect, if I'm not mistaken.   I'm traveling now and will check the label when I get home, just to be sure.  For now, don't use Bayer's product and I'll get back to you.

[Dallasbeek]

Just googled it here's an article that says neem oil is safe for bees




http://www.discoverneem.com/neem-bees-beneficial-insects.html

[Dallasbeek]

A little more reading finds research by Uunivercity of California's Integrated Pest Management Program cautions neem oil should be applied only in the late evening, at night or early in the morning. Elsewhere, I find that neem oil acts both topically and on insects feeding on foliage.  Bees don't feed on foliage.