Well, I need help soon again I suppose!!

Started by derekNGA, June 17, 2016, 12:28:47 PM

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derekNGA

Quick run down.
New beekeeper.
Received two packages/queens on May 20th.
Immediately hive 1 began robbing hive 2.
Queen in hive 2 was not there when I went in for the initial look about 4-5 days after installing.  New queen ordered and placed in.  Still being robbed by hive 1.  Done every trick told to do and read to try(which were the same).  Ended up moving hive to a friends about 10 miles away.  Hive is very weak, not drinking any sugar water, but they are working as hard as they can and pollen is steadily flowing in.  Has brood of all stages.  Weak but looking promising, at least to me.
Hive 1.  Had been doing great.  Not sure it matters but on June 7th they began bearding/sweeping the front.  I'd say about 2-3 hundred.  But here in Georgia it has been hot and humid.  June 8th I went in hive.  Looked good.  Nectar, pollen and all stages of brood on 70-80% frames.  So I added a second box.  Located queen, she was on the floor in the back corner.  Being anal and paranoid, I very carefully put back frames.
TODAY JUNE 17TH I just went in to check on things and (I seen my first emerging bee...sweet!!)  As I worked through the frames all was looking good.  Nectar and pollen.  But then my heart sank.  Theres NO larvae!  I worked my way through all the frames.  No eggs, no larvae nothing.  Just capped brood.  I found 3 superceeder cells on one frame.
So, if on the 8-9th day from when the queen lays an egg it is capped, then that means my queen died/left/etc. the day or day after I seen her.  For there to be no visiable eggs/larvae. 
Anyway, for the experts, what is my best route here to take or not to take?
Let/hope/pray/cross fingers that they make a queen and life continues on?
Do I order a new queen?  Which all the original packaged bees will be dead and gone and only the newly just emerging will be there to continue on the hive.
Do I combine the weak hive 2 with this hive 1?
Or other options???
I have no idea, I'm just a puppet on a string these last few weeks doing all I can and being bombarded with obsticles. 
Beginning to wonder if all the signs are telling me to leave bees alone and try a different hobby.
But seriously, please help with my next move.

BeeMaster2

Just leave them alone for the next 30 days. Your new queen will need another 7 days to hatch, 11 days to mate and a couple of days to start laying eggs and a week or so that she can have wet larvae in the hive before you enter it again. Bees will kill a queen if you are inspecting to much or she has not had a chance to prove she is a good queen.
Jim
Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
Ben Franklin

derekNGA

I would like to add, not sure if it matters, but there are no other hives in the area.  No bees seen before i got these.  Part of the reason why i decided to get bees.  I'm  saying this because I'm  wondering if a queen they make has the possibility of being mated?

cao

I would do what sawdstmakr said.  They would be much better off with their own queen rather than introducing a new one.  As far as the chances of her getting mated, I don't know how they do it but bees will find bees when needed.  If after 3-4 weeks you don't have a laying queen then you can get a queen or combine or add another frame of brood.

GSF

Good advice so far Derek. I got my bees for about the same reason you got yours. No bees to be found before I got mine. It would help others when you ask a question if you had your general location in your profile. A lot of beekeeping questions are location specific and a more accurate answer can be given if we know where one is located. Feel free to ask as many questions as you'd like.
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Modenacart

If you see your queen in the hive you don't need to touch her.  No need to risk damaging her.  She will walk where she wants. 


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Acebird

Quote from: derekNGA on June 17, 2016, 12:28:47 PM
Beginning to wonder if all the signs are telling me to leave bees alone and try a different hobby.
You could leave the bees alone or try a different hobby if you don't like doing that.
Brian Cardinal
Just do it

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GSF

Once you eat your own honey you'll never be without "your" bees. Just remember the old clich?; If you don't know what to do - then don't do nothing. You're in a learning curve right now and it's difficult and frustrating to think you got to do something, and probably something quick, but don't know what to do.

The hive that was doing great may have swarmed. I would personally leave them along. The best thing that may happen if you go back in it you'll see a swarm cell or one that hatched. The worst thing is accidentally tearing the same swarm cell in half looking for it. Keep us posted we're here with ya.
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