Medical advice

Acebird · June 23, 2016, 08:33:04 AM

Quote from: PhilK on June 23, 2016, 12:39:20 AM
As an aside Ace, if you had an Epipen in your pocket and were with someone experiencing anaphylactic shock are you saying you wouldn't use it?

I wouldn't have one with me to use. I have no experience with anaphylactic shock so it would be a hard call for me to make. If they were choking I might shove a Bic pen in their wind pipe and administer CPR.

flyboy · June 23, 2016, 08:57:19 AM

Quote from: iddee on June 22, 2016, 07:21:40 PM
I've been through two episodes of Anaphylaxis shock, both concerning other people. I had and used the epi on the second one. If a third arises, Icertainly hope to have an epi handy.

PS. I have been through several epi-pen injection courses.

Wow! Statistically that is off the charts. Something like one in five thousand will be sensitive.

What happened to the first one?

Were these PPL in your bee yard?

Were you acting as a medical professional of some variety @ the time?

iddee · June 23, 2016, 09:11:15 AM

First one in my beeyard... No epi. Second one in a home, not bee related. That time I had an epi.
No, I've never worked in the medical field. An epi is standard issue in the Army. It is used for nerve gas in combat. Five year vet with refresher course each year. Then another course when my doctor gave me the prescription.

JackM · June 23, 2016, 09:30:46 AM

*Walks away shaking head*.... Sigh

flyboy · June 23, 2016, 09:40:24 AM

Quote from: iddee on June 23, 2016, 09:11:15 AM
First one in my beeyard... No epi.

So what happened to the person? Did they die or suffer some long term issue?

iddee · June 23, 2016, 11:13:29 AM

Long term issue with my driving. Especially when I ran the stop sign at 70 in a 35, with two cops having to slow to keep from crashing in the intersection. Plus a few other tidbits that scared him as much as his condition was scaring me. Also, it was the last time he would ever go into the bee yard.That was 34 years ago, and he still won't go to the bee yard. He is my son.

Dallasbeek · June 23, 2016, 02:22:34 PM

Quote from: iddee on June 23, 2016, 11:13:29 AM
Long term issue with my driving. Especially when I ran the stop sign at 70 in a 35, with two cops having to slow to keep from crashing in the intersection. Plus a few other tidbits that scared him as much as his condition was scaring me. Also, it was the last time he would ever go into the bee yard.That was 34 years ago, and he still won't go to the bee yard. He is my son.

Is there and emoji for "AMAZED"?

Caribou · June 23, 2016, 04:28:35 PM

Quote from: iddee on June 23, 2016, 11:13:29 AM
Long term issue with my driving. Especially when I ran the stop sign at 70 in a 35, with two cops having to slow to keep from crashing in the intersection. Plus a few other tidbits that scared him as much as his condition was scaring me. Also, it was the last time he would ever go into the bee yard.That was 34 years ago, and he still won't go to the bee yard. He is my son.

Your driving probably saved his life. Not only did you get him to help in half the time but the adrenaline that he generated due to your driving helped open his airway.

divemaster1963 · June 23, 2016, 08:30:51 PM

Fear is only second to our will to live. Both help the body.

John

PhilK · June 24, 2016, 05:32:10 AM

Quote from: Acebird on June 23, 2016, 08:33:04 AM
Quote from: PhilK on June 23, 2016, 12:39:20 AM
As an aside Ace, if you had an Epipen in your pocket and were with someone experiencing anaphylactic shock are you saying you wouldn't use it?

I wouldn't have one with me to use. I have no experience with anaphylactic shock so it would be a hard call for me to make. If they were choking I might shove a Bic pen in their wind pipe and administer CPR.

You should become familiar with the clinical signs of anaphylaxis.

So you're not comfortable administering an epipen (which is designed to be used by a layperson in the case of anaphylaxis) but you're OK with performing a backyard tracheotomy by shoving a dirty pen into someone's trachea...?

Acebird · June 24, 2016, 09:00:17 AM

I am really not OK with any medical procedure, but what do you do when you don't have a pen? A high speed race to a hospital puts other people at risk and yet I would do the same if it were my son. Keep in mind that should this occur in my apiary I am three minutes or less away from the hospital. It might take 3 minutes to get the victim in the car if I was by myself.
It sounds like the general consensus is we are giving medical advice to the general beekeeping public to just get an epi pen and with no medical training administer it to anyone who you think is in shock. I don't think that is good advice. You may disagree.

Oblio13 · June 24, 2016, 09:02:44 AM

Quote from: JackM on June 22, 2016, 07:34:51 AM
... The internet is NOT a good source for medical advice...

The internet is an outstanding source for medical advice. It's separating the wheat from the chaff that's difficult.

iddee · June 24, 2016, 09:22:28 AM

Ace, maybe you should get a prescription. Hopefully, like mine, your doctor will get you through a training course. Then you will see how wrong your above statement is. Getting medical training and being considered a medical professional is two entirely different items. I am no where near a medical professional, but I have been trained in the Heimlich method, epi-pen, heat stroke, heat exhaustion, stopping bleeding, CPR, and a few other"first aid" practices. And yes, I have saved several lives by using that training

Acebird · June 24, 2016, 09:39:47 AM

I am better at patching up buildings with a nail gun then shooting up people with medical issues. I have three family members that are RN,s and a wife that is pretty darn good at separating the wheat from the chaff on the internet. I have no interest in delving into the medical field as a practitioner.

bwallace23350 · June 24, 2016, 10:02:53 AM

I have actually seen anaphalixs but never administered the epi pen. We are at most 10 minutes from the hospital at my bee yard which is beside my work. We have an employee who is allergic to wasp stings. He got stung last summer. He went from stung to trouble breathing in 5 minutes. I made it to the hospital in 4 and half minutes. The doctor there told me that this was the best thing getting to the ER as soon as possible. He also said the longer it takes for symptoms to appear the weaker the anaphalixs is.

bwallace23350 · June 24, 2016, 10:16:38 AM

One thing I will never say is I think they are in shock. You will know it when you see it.

Hops Brewster · June 24, 2016, 03:34:54 PM

So from now on, whenever I am asked what to do about a bee sting, I am going to answer "I'm not a Physician, but I used to play Doctor wit...." ummm, never mind.

divemaster1963 · June 24, 2016, 09:25:19 PM

Watching a person die is not easy and would not wish it on a enemy. I have seen it first hand from shootings, anaphylactic shock, bleeding out from major arteries and a ustable boy beatting his mothers head off with a stick. Was paramedic volunteer rescue squad back in eighties. That's when they started having us start iv's and administering adrenaline. It saved many lives and we were covered by good Samaritan laws of the state as first responders. The only thing we did not carry on the unit was diffibulator. That was in a station wagon that responded to heart attacks( they were big and heavy ).

John