Beespace between frames and lid?

MikeyN.C. · January 22, 2019, 02:08:35 PM

Ace, maybe he's using a 12 fr. box but only using 9 fr. Filling outside empty space with insulation and follower boards?
Does anyone have experience with warm way an cold way frames?
http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/cwww.html

blackforest beekeeper · January 22, 2019, 04:22:04 PM

Quote from: Acebird on January 22, 2019, 10:21:46 AM
Quote from: blackforest beekeeper on January 21, 2019, 11:36:12 AM
who is putting isolation on the INSIDE`?

It is more common then on the outside.

not in my country. never saw or heard of it.

blackforest beekeeper · January 22, 2019, 04:25:53 PM

Quote from: MikeyN.C. on January 22, 2019, 02:08:35 PM
Ace, maybe he's using a 12 fr. box but only using 9 fr. Filling outside empty space with insulation and follower boards?
Does anyone have experience with warm way an cold way frames?
http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/cwww.html

mean me?
I got 9-frame-boxes. But they are not always full, not even in winter. I use a follower board (just plywood) or a frame feeder to give a moveable wall. No insulation to the sides. It doesn?t matter, not in our climate. we just got a spell, maybe some weeks, of up to -10, sometimes -15 C. Bees don`t mind. They insulate their cluster themselves. Inside the box, where there are no bees, temperature is the same as outside, so.... empty space doesn`t make a difference. Or: not as much as to matter.

MikeyN.C. · January 22, 2019, 04:59:18 PM

BFB, you are using a single box correct.?

blackforest beekeeper · January 22, 2019, 05:06:11 PM

yep. 9 frame jumbos.

MikeyN.C. · January 22, 2019, 05:17:04 PM

How deep is box ?
Don't know jumbo frames.

Michael Bush · January 22, 2019, 05:57:59 PM

The top bar hives don't have any way for bees to go over the top. If you want to make a space that will work that is between 1/4" and 3/8" (6mm and 10mm)

blackforest beekeeper · January 23, 2019, 02:45:15 AM

Quote from: MikeyN.C. on January 22, 2019, 05:17:04 PM
How deep is box ?
Don't know jumbo frames.

Hey Mikey,
Kamerun? Where you are from? just read this. Guess mostly assumed an American beek under the name of Mikey....
Jumbo is "Dadant US" in Europe or "Dadant mod." or just plain "Dadant" in Germany. Frames like a langstroth (ears and lenght), but 285 mm deep not just 232 mm.
So 9 frame Dadant/jumbo equals 11 deep frames.
To be before the next question:
why 9 frames?
Euro-standard-pallets can take two hives side by side (4 in all) if 9 frames are in the box. 3 Euro-pallets go side by side into a standard truck. So..... it`s all about loading and moving. No "center" frame, no magic numbers, just plain logistics.
Usually hives have 10 frames in Germany, there were some with 8, but didn`t succeed. In my area there are even some with 9, but the sides are too thick, so they don`t go on a pallet anyways. Nowadays there are some ridiculous large boxes with 12 jumbo-frames en vogue. Not really nice to handle, as they are square. But each beek suits himself. The bees don`t care.
One supplier has noticed the need for a 9-frame-box and so these can be bought now, too.

SiWolKe · January 23, 2019, 05:05:42 AM

Quote from: Michael Bush on January 22, 2019, 05:57:59 PM
The top bar hives don't have any way for bees to go over the top. If you want to make a space that will work that is between 1/4" and 3/8" (6mm and 10mm)

Hi Michael,
the top bar combs have no side bars and have natural comb so the bees can move sideways around the comb.
My dadant frames have comb completely enclosed by bars, sure there are some holes between frame and comb but I believe the cluster might be hindered and therefore move over the top bars.
My beespace is 5mm, but the frames stick to the lid bottom rim. Maybe after reading the comments I will try to put a foil strip between rim and top bar to prevent sticking but not cover the whole space.

blackforest beekeeper · January 23, 2019, 06:13:47 AM

well, I just pry it of.

I got plenty of natural comb im my Dadants. But the combs are usually without holes.