Single Frame Queen Excluder Cage

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Ben Framed

May 17, 2019, 02:39:22 PM
Anyone here use a Single frame queen excluder cage?

van from Arkansas

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May 17, 2019, 03:24:38 PM
You mean like the one pictured?  Yes I use those types of queens cages exclusively.  The queen has a huge area to spread her pheromone compared to the typical much smaller queen cage.  I have excellent queen acceptance with the frame cage.
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I have been around bees a long time, since birth.  I am a hobbyist so my answers often reflect this fact.  I concentrate on genetics, raise my own queens by wet graft, nicot, with natural or II breeding.  I do not sell queens, I will give queens  for free but no shipping.

Ben Framed

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May 17, 2019, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: van from Arkansas on May 17, 2019, 03:24:38 PM
You mean like the one pictured?  Yes I use those types of queens cages exclusively.  The queen has a huge area to spread her pheromone compared to the typical much smaller queen cage.  I have excellent queen acceptance with the frame cage.
Blessings

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Not exactly, I am thinking about one where the queen can be trapped on a single frame and nurse bees can and go. A true excluder cage, but in this case I would call it an includer cage As I do not want the queen to leave the frame yet, still lay eggs on this one frame. But thanks for responding and the picture.

iddee

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May 17, 2019, 04:04:09 PM
I have one that I used one spring to get larvae the correct size for grafting. Haven't used it since.
"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

*Shel Silverstein*

ed/La.

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May 17, 2019, 05:08:49 PM
I never used one but if I wanted to do what you are describing I would put queen in 2 frame nuc above a regular queen excluder. I find it is easier to put a empty frame of comb in the middle of brood chamber with frames of brood on both sides and pull it  3 days later. It will have eggs. I mark it with a coin on top so I  can easily find it.

iddee

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May 17, 2019, 05:34:48 PM
That is why I only used it one season.
"Listen to the mustn'ts, child. Listen to the don'ts. Listen to the shouldn'ts, the impossibles, the won'ts. Listen to the never haves, then listen close to me . . . Anything can happen, child. Anything can be"

*Shel Silverstein*

Ben Framed

#6
May 17, 2019, 06:25:19 PM
Good answers. Thanks yall, I appreciate your answers. I will scrap the idea of this now. 😁
Phillip

Ben Framed

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May 18, 2019, 11:07:38 AM
Quote from: Ben Framed on May 17, 2019, 03:46:18 PM
Quote from: van from Arkansas on May 17, 2019, 03:24:38 PM
You mean like the one pictured?  Yes I use those types of queens cages exclusively.  The queen has a huge area to spread her pheromone compared to the typical much smaller queen cage.  I have excellent queen acceptance with the frame cage.
Blessings

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Not exactly, I am thinking about one where the queen can be trapped on a single frame and nurse bees can and go. A true excluder cage, but in this case I would call it an includer cage As I do not want the queen to leave the frame yet, still lay eggs on this one frame. But thanks for responding and the picture.

However Mr Van, That is a good looking set up!!  I wish I lived closer. I would love to learn from you the hands on of II queen raising!! I also can see part of your set up in the background!! This process is just another fun chapter that I look forward to with bees!!
Phillip Hall   (Ben Framed)

BeeMaster2

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May 18, 2019, 11:13:34 AM
I made up 6 of those queen cages a few years ago. I do not use them now because the queens could never find their way out on their own. I would have to remove the screen and let them out in a hive that they had not oriented to and if she takes off she could be lost.
Jim Altmiller
Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.
Ben Franklin

Ben Framed

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May 18, 2019, 11:33:33 AM
Quote from: sawdstmakr on May 18, 2019, 11:13:34 AM
I made up 6 of those queen cages a few years ago. I do not use them now because the queens could never find their way out on their own. I would have to remove the screen and let them out in a hive that they had not oriented to and if she takes off she could be lost.
Jim Altmiller

What I had in mind Jim, is a cage made with a queen excluder on each side so the worker bees can come and go as they please. The idea is, or was, place an empty frame of comb inside this cage along with a special queen of my choice. let her go to town laying, and the larva should be all about the same age, at the same time.  But as iddee and ed/La pointed out, and being iddee has been here and done it, each uses another method. There experience is invaluable and respected along with yours.  I am thinking it is better to take the advise of these experts unless, I have more time on my hands in the future than I have had lately and just feel the need to experiment.  I am thinking I am probably looking at overkill with these thoughts. I appreciate your chiming in. Perhaps if we built the cage where one side the queen excluder can be removed easily, this would work better? I have seen these cages which were used in France for research purposes but, at a quick look, have not found a place where I can buy one.   
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