Varroa: Treat or not Treat

seanconnery · June 14, 2019, 10:32:56 PM

I found this explanation thorough with backing data:

https://theapiarist.org/leave-and-let-die/

TheHoneyPump · June 14, 2019, 11:11:53 PM

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seanconnery · June 14, 2019, 11:41:08 PM

Huh?

Ben Framed · June 15, 2019, 12:18:06 AM

Thanks for posting.....
Phillip

The15thMember · June 15, 2019, 01:09:21 AM

Quote from: TheHoneyPump on June 14, 2019, 11:11:53 PM
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HP, are you dumbfounded or are you engaged?

Ben Framed · June 15, 2019, 01:21:12 AM

Quote from: The15thMember on June 15, 2019, 01:09:21 AM
Quote from: TheHoneyPump on June 14, 2019, 11:11:53 PM
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HP, are you dumbfounded or are you engaged?

Member, while we are waiting for his answer, I will take a guess. Looks like he is really taking in the information so he can decipher it later?

FloridaGardener · June 15, 2019, 01:54:34 AM

Umm...more like, sitting down with popcorn to watch the show - the Great Debate between treatment and treatment free.

Ben Framed · June 15, 2019, 01:56:42 AM

Quote from: FloridaGardener on June 15, 2019, 01:54:34 AM
Umm...more like, sitting down with popcorn to watch the show - the Great Debate between treatment and treatment free.

Maybe so.

Acebird · June 15, 2019, 07:54:26 AM

Quote from: seanconnery on June 14, 2019, 10:32:56 PM
I found this explanation thorough with backing data:

Dump the chemicals in your hive and enjoy the honey. The reason I don't treat is because I enjoy not taking pills until I die. There will always be more bees either way.

The15thMember · June 15, 2019, 08:43:54 AM

Quote from: FloridaGardener on June 15, 2019, 01:54:34 AM
Umm...more like, sitting down with popcorn to watch the show - the Great Debate between treatment and treatment free.

Oh, that?s likely. The new Great Debate seems to be what HP meant by his post!

Ben Framed · June 15, 2019, 09:43:43 AM

Quote from: The15thMember on June 15, 2019, 08:43:54 AM
Quote from: FloridaGardener on June 15, 2019, 01:54:34 AM
Umm...more like, sitting down with popcorn to watch the show - the Great Debate between treatment and treatment free.

Oh, that?s likely. The new Great Debate seems to be what HP meant by his post!

Yep! After Ace?s post I believe You and Florida have tentatively Nailed it? 😁😁
Phillip

seanconnery · June 15, 2019, 10:33:22 AM

The article was posted not to elicit whether you treat or not treat, but point out the enormous (time) scale required for bees to evolve/mutate to be varroa resistant. Simply stating "I treat because... or I don't treat because..." does not address the article's contents.

Ben Framed · June 15, 2019, 11:01:23 AM

Quote from: seanconnery on June 15, 2019, 10:33:22 AM
The article was posted not to elicit whether you treat or not treat, but point out the enormous (time) scale required for bees to evolve/mutate to be varroa resistant. Simply stating "I treat because... or I don't treat because..." does not address the article's contents.

Fully understand. We are just Adding a little fun along with education . Thanks Sean very good information. Phillip

seanconnery · June 15, 2019, 11:00:49 PM

Apiary Hell

The15thMember · June 16, 2019, 12:24:40 AM

Quote from: seanconnery on June 15, 2019, 11:00:49 PM
Apiary Hell

Confused again.

TheHoneyPump · June 16, 2019, 01:45:55 AM

Quote from: Ben Framed on June 15, 2019, 01:56:42 AM
Quote from: FloridaGardener on June 15, 2019, 01:54:34 AM
Umm...more like, sitting down with popcorn to watch the show - the Great Debate between treatment and treatment free.

Maybe so.

. This.

yes2matt · June 16, 2019, 08:52:35 AM

Quote from: seanconnery on June 14, 2019, 10:32:56 PM
I found this explanation thorough with backing data:

https://theapiarist.org/leave-and-let-die/

Takes an atheistic view of evolution "random mutation." Plenty of observers citing plenty of evidence that behaviors/characteristics necessary to survival under pressure of a new parasite have already emerged.

https://tfb.podbean.com/e/70-grassroots-sustainable-beekeeping-with-iain-glass/

http://beekeepingtodaypodcast.com/dr-tom-d-seeley-honey-bees-in-the-wild-019

I'm sorry these are links to audio, but that's how I get my news these days :)

seanconnery · June 16, 2019, 12:01:14 PM

Yes this site reports this as well. Random yes, consistent and increasing yes, in time. Michael Bush has bees that do not have varroa and are treatment free and it would be good to know how and when and perhaps offer a why.

Ben Framed · June 16, 2019, 12:08:07 PM

Quote from: seanconnery on June 16, 2019, 12:01:14 PM
Yes this site reports this as well. Random yes, consistent and increasing yes, in time. Michael Bush has bees that do not have varroa and are treatment free and it would be good to know how and when and perhaps offer a why.

Mr Bush is an exceptional beekeeper who is always willing to help and explain.

yes2matt · June 16, 2019, 01:19:00 PM

Quote from: seanconnery on June 16, 2019, 12:01:14 PM
Yes this site reports this as well. Random yes, consistent and increasing yes, in time. Michael Bush has bees that do not have varroa and are treatment free and it would be good to know how and when and perhaps offer a why.

His site is pretty informative.

And/ or you could make BeeFest 2020 in your plans. (North FL, March sawdustmkr will have details)

Edit: just because a computer code (e.g. compiled C++) isn't human-readable doesn't make it arbitrary; just because genetic mutation isn't human-predictable doesn't make it random.