Need An Inexpensive vaporizer?

Ben Framed · August 21, 2019, 11:56:36 PM

Mr Van, Google the following. It should pull for you with this information. If not, let me know and I will try to find another way.
Phillip

I googled this
Cameron Jack Oxalic acid dihydrate study

And this is what I found.

Proceedings of the 2017 American Bee Research Conference - Semantic Scholar
The efficacy of artificial brood interruption and oxalic acid treatments in controlling the ... Cameron Jack and Jamie Ellis. ...... ing carvacrol , thymol, α-pinene, β-pinene, sabinene hydrate, α-ter-.

Beeboy01 · August 23, 2019, 07:48:43 PM

I think one of the most important things I discovered when treating that heavily infested hive last year was that the time between treatments was as important if not more so than the total amount of oxalic acid used per treatment. Longer periods between treatments doesn't effectively expose the mites that are moving between the brood cells. The life cycle of the mite only has the non phoric females exposed for about twenty to thirty hours when they move to a new host cell. Oxalic acid has a life of only two or three days once vaporized in a hive and the recommended five to seven day spacing between treatments leaves a gap in the protection. Don't know if there are any official studies to prove this but it's what I think my experiment showed.
Buy the way, the hive is still going strong and was treated back in May. I'm scheduling a series of treatments at the end of September for all my hives and will try to get a daily mite count on all of them.

Ben Framed · April 10, 2020, 11:44:18 AM

We had a very good discussion going on here. The following is what Kamon Reynolds has found with the overloaded, experimental hive he has been watching closely for quiet sometime . I do not think that he was using 4 grams to treat a deep or larger hive.. Friends all this information, (this topic, and other topics here along with videos), are all tying together in an indirect, independent way, with this topic, Kamons findings, along with the topic, OAV too hot. I sincerely believe OAV is effective but MUST BE USED PROPERLY and not all applicators are created equal, though some are more (convenient), to use. I am sure to take more flack for being bold enough to post these statements, but as your friend, I feel it is necessary. Don?t be to rough on me. Lol
Phillip

https://youtu.be/Ab19fpIwI84

Ben Framed · April 10, 2020, 11:54:45 AM

What is the point? The point is I would like to see a survey done on one totally infested hive. Carefully on a one on one treatment plan. A hive such as Kamon Reynolds experimental hive. Or Beenoy01 hive. This is what I purpose. First treatment. Use the quick to use band heater type applicator such. Do a mite drop count. Wait four days, use the old fashion wand type applicator, such as iddee posted above. Do another mite count. See what happens, check the results. Continue this process via rotation, keeping data, until mites are under control. Compare data and ........

Phillip

paus · April 10, 2020, 11:55:59 AM

Please don't throw tomatoes at me but, a DSBB is the easiest way to use OAV. from the rear, and all areas of the hive can be vaporized.

Ben Framed · April 10, 2020, 12:04:54 PM

LOL no tomatoes from me Paus. It's not the way of administration I am proposing, it's the effectiveness of the applicator I am questioning. I theorize the old wand type applicator is the more effective tool. I have not read where folks using these were losing hives as folks which now use band-heater type applicators are losing hives. Perhaps this is why Florida researchers say use 4 grams to treat a deep or larger hive in order to make up the difference in the band heater type? Perhaps OAV is more effective when administered the old way? Not getting too hot to fast? Woo wee I better start ducking because the tomatoes 🍅 are sure to be flying my way! Lol

Phillip Hall

van from Arkansas · April 10, 2020, 01:54:59 PM

Ounces and grams are getting confused, there is a lot of difference: 31 grams to Troy ounce, that is a huge difference. 31X

30 gram to ounce [American] 30X

Ben Framed · April 10, 2020, 02:10:56 PM

You are right Mr. Van. Sorry for the Printed mistake I suppose I was so focused on the problems trying to find the cure that I totally overlooked the obvious LOL I will go back and edit the oz part. Thank you Sir.

Phillip

guitarstitch · April 10, 2020, 03:35:13 PM

I skipped all the electrical hassle and made a "crack-pipe" vaporizer from 1/2" copper pipe reduced to 5/16" tubing into a hole in the back of the hive body. A map torch provides heat for sublimation.

My success has been well on par with my commercial vaporizer, but with a heck of a lot less effort and trouble.

Total cost? About $4 if you already have a torch and basic plumbing tools.

sc-bee · April 11, 2020, 12:49:17 AM

Coming in late on this. I always heard 1/4 tsp = 1 gram per deep. My spoon with the Varrox is gram. So anyone ever find the information on the 4 gram per deep study. That is a significant difference. I think I will email Ellis and see if he has any comment.

Ben Framed · April 11, 2020, 01:33:42 AM

Ellis was in on it too. Cameron Jack as Jim suggested is the man with the plan, (so to speak) . Perhaps you can contact him as well?

Phillip Hall

sc-bee · April 11, 2020, 12:05:28 PM

Quote from: Ben Framed on April 11, 2020, 01:33:42 AM
Ellis was in on it too. Cameron Jack as Jim suggested is the man with the plan, (so to speak) . Perhaps you can contact him as well?

Phillip Hall

Yea I knew Ellis would have to be I. On it if it was at Florida.

Ben Framed · April 11, 2020, 02:25:48 PM

Quote from: sc-bee on April 11, 2020, 12:05:28 PM
Quote from: Ben Framed on April 11, 2020, 01:33:42 AM
Ellis was in on it too. Cameron Jack as Jim suggested is the man with the plan, (so to speak) . Perhaps you can contact him as well?

Phillip Hall

Yea I knew Ellis would have to be I. On it if it was at Florida.

You are right. The reason I suggested Cameron Jack is because he is the one that came to Jims Meeting. I am sure Mr Ellis should have the same information as they studied this together. Thanks SC.

Phillip

sc-bee · April 14, 2020, 09:15:42 AM

I sent the email to U of F and got reply from Cameron Jack. I have followed up with some additional questions and ask if I could share his reply. Waiting on hos reply about sharing. I was not encouraged by his reply, it was defintely not what I wanted to hear, Seems they want some other verification before moving forward.

Ben Framed · April 14, 2020, 01:00:11 PM

Quote from: sc-bee on April 14, 2020, 09:15:42 AM
I sent the email to U of F and got reply from Cameron Jack. I have followed up with some additional questions and ask if I could share his reply. Waiting on hos reply about sharing. I was not encouraged by his reply, it was defintely not what I wanted to hear, Seems they want some other verification before moving forward.

Good job SC I am encouraging you Sir and thanking you for your persistence for the good of all.
Phillip