Bee sting therapy for arthritis.

van from Arkansas · March 05, 2020, 05:26:59 PM

I will add a bit to what ID said. Yep it works, but do NOT press a bee abdomen against your skin as I did. A person is supposed to brush or just tap the abdomen to your skin. If you hold the abdomen to your skin, the stinger goes in very deep, I mean penetrates, like, all ya see is the poison sac hanging onto your skin.

Use the honeybee abdomen, like striking gently a match to your skin is the best way I can state it.

Van

Ben Framed · March 05, 2020, 09:24:37 PM

Quote from: van from Arkansas on March 05, 2020, 05:26:59 PM
I will add a bit to what ID said. Yep it works, but do NOT press a bee abdomen against your skin as I did. A person is supposed to brush or just tap the abdomen to your skin. If you hold the abdomen to your skin, the stinger goes in very deep, I mean penetrates, like, all ya see is the poison sac hanging onto your skin.

Use the honeybee abdomen, like striking gently a match to your skin is the best way I can state it.

Van

Van I would think that if the pain or itch was deep in the joint as you described in your particular situation, the deeper the better? Just as doctors inject steroids in the join when necessary? Now I'm not saying the stinger should reach the inside of the join, but perhaps at least deep enough to reach the joint or outer surface of the joint, at least penetrating the three layers of skin? Maybe by prescribing as you did, is the very reason you received prompt relief? I do not know much about the scientific research on this subject. Perhaps you have studied this in depth and these questions stand to be corrected? This is an interesting subject. Thank you for sharing.
Blessings,
Phillip Hall

PS To take it a step further, could it be that the stinger did indeed penetrate the join area itself causing, "the severe very painful", initial pain? I don't even know if a stinger is longer enough to reach the joint even by the method that you used. lol

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Troutdog · March 06, 2020, 11:24:20 AM

My 2 cents
Bee stings work
Bees try to sting on blocked acupuncture spots and where there is inflammation.
Swelling is from vit c deficiency and dehydration.
3g a day vit c and 4 oz water per .5 hour from morning till dinner.
Cheers

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MikeCinWV · March 07, 2020, 09:59:53 AM

I've been stinging myself, well actually wife does it for me, 15 times every other day for two years at the recommendation of my Lyme Dr. When weather is bad there are times it is up to a week between sessions. I sting then leave stinger in for 10-15 minutes. Not sure if it is helping or not but I've been willing to do anything to get better so I sting away along with all of the meds. My Lyme and Carrion's went undiagnosed for years and got into my brain causing many severe problems. I to have noticed that it seems to lessen pain and also boost energy.

van from Arkansas · March 07, 2020, 03:57:33 PM

Mr. Mike, sorry to hear about the issues. Carrion's Disease? Did you travel to South America, in the past? I am baffled by Carrion's in the USA? But what do I know?

Lyme Disease, I researched this single disease for over a decade, but I am out dated on the latest research. I realize what a terror, absolute terror, Lyme disease is. I hope the honeybees help.

Blessings

Van

herbhome · March 07, 2020, 09:04:28 PM

I don't intentionally cause the bees to sting but when they do I don't freak. I find my almost constant hip and joint arthritic pain is lessened considerably.

BeeMaster2 · March 07, 2020, 10:23:00 PM

One of the reasons that I got into beekeeping was that I had problems with my right shoulder, I could not lift it above shoulder level. Within a few months the problem went away. If I do not get stung for long periods of time, during winter, I start having problems.
I will probably always have bee hives because of this.
Jim Altmiller

Ralphee · March 10, 2020, 02:59:41 AM

Good answers everyone, i might have to browse some scientific journals when i get a chance to see if there is anything to back this up - which i doubt until a scientist uses this for their own benefit! Ha Ha Ha

iddee · March 10, 2020, 05:50:36 AM

Here you are.........

https://apitherapy.org/

Ben Framed · March 10, 2020, 10:31:21 AM

This is a very interesting report on research showing promising findings and results of conducted said research.

https://www.clinicaladvisor.com/home/features/alternative-meds-update/bee-venom-therapy-too-risky-for-treating-osteoarthritis-ra-inflammation/

Phillip Hall

Michael Bush · March 10, 2020, 06:30:03 PM

I think stinging the site is unnecessary. There are two mechanisms at work and neither requires the sting to be the place that already hurts. The first is that your body makes cortisol in response to the sting. This is a systemic reaction. To make the cortisol you body requires vitamin C so make sure you are taking at least 1000mg a day. The second is the bee sting tends to balance your immune system. It seems that auto immune things like arthritis etc. get better with adequate amounts of venom in your system.

van from Arkansas · March 12, 2020, 03:54:18 PM

Received a sting today on the tip of the same finger I deliberately stung. Lil bit of pain, not much at all compared to nailing the nerve as in original post #1. Can?t even tell exactly where I was stung today, except for a tiny, very tiny red dot.

Van

FloridaGardener · March 12, 2020, 09:41:14 PM

Well folks I'm going to testify to the contrary.

I have advanced osteoarthritis in several joints, conclusively diagnosed by MRIs. Bee stings don't help my symptoms at all. Not a bit of improvement. Just my experience.

Ben Framed · March 12, 2020, 10:51:14 PM

Quote from: van from Arkansas on March 12, 2020, 03:54:18 PM
Received a sting today on the tip of the same finger I deliberately stung. Lil bit of pain, not much at all compared to nailing the nerve as in original post #1. Can?t even tell exactly where I was stung today, except for a tiny, very tiny red dot.

Van

Van did you receive the same good results?

Too bad it does not help everyone such as FlordiaGardener. I suppose different folks systems react in different ways to different situations and circumstances?

van from Arkansas · March 13, 2020, 07:24:30 PM

Mr. Ben. My finger has not bothered me since the first sting as posted in #1.

In the future though, arthritis will flair up and I will post results of bee venom. Thanks for asking.

Sorry FloridaGardener that you did not find relief from bee stings. Hope something works for your osteoarthritis,

Van

Ben Framed · June 16, 2020, 01:43:10 AM

Quote from: Beelab on March 04, 2020, 04:32:27 AM
Yes, apitherapy works on many levels, including all bee products.
There is limited information out there, but not a great deal of reviewed scientific research.
We treat wounds, however bad, with fresh honey, and had exceptional healing results. No scaring either.
When the doctor said we sure need antibiotics. Ha.

Beelab I will let you in on a secret of mine, I have secretly wondered if honey may have an effective response on cancer if a way to directly introduce to an effected area could be properly administered?

Hops Brewster · June 16, 2020, 11:11:57 AM

So Van, let's see if I got this straight...
You killed a poor lil bee that was resting innocently on your porch just so you could scratch an itch?

I wish I could do that.
I usually feel some relief of my arthritis when I get stung, but I ain't got the guts to do it a-purpose.

Robo · June 16, 2020, 09:42:03 PM

Back when I was doing beekeeping podcasts for Wildlife Pro Network there where two episodes with Amber Rose on bee acupuncture. Amber trained and traveled the world with Charles Mraz whom many consider the grandfather of BVT in the US. I'm sure these links are buried somewhere in this forum, but I'll share them again in this post.

Direct Links

03/11/10 Bee Acupuncture - Amber Rose

04/15/12 Bee Acupuncture - Amber Rose Returns

Link to Podcast Library - (Elements Questionnaire referenced in 1st podcast)

Nock · June 17, 2020, 12:29:22 PM

I took one on the ankle yesterday. No swelling this morning. Normally I swell just a little the next day. Nothing so far. Maybe starting to build up little immunity to it.

Hops Brewster · June 19, 2020, 10:55:12 AM

Quote from: sawdstmakr on March 07, 2020, 10:23:00 PM
One of the reasons that I got into beekeeping was that I had problems with my right shoulder, I could not lift it above shoulder level. Within a few months the problem went away. If I do not get stung for long periods of time, during winter, I start having problems.
I will probably always have bee hives because of this.
Jim Altmiller

I'm very glad it helps your shoulder issue, Jim. I hope your shoulder problem isn't too severe. One of the things I noticed about getting stung was that it helped relieve my shoulder pain, too.
Unfortunately, stings couldn't help me regain the shoulder function. I had to get the rotator cuff, bicep tendon and 2 torn muscles repaired, and 2 bone spurs (the arthritis) removed last November. Now I can throw a ball with my grandson and I'm re-learning to cast a fly.