Which Frame for Thin Surplus?

DayValleyDahlias · February 18, 2008, 02:54:58 PM

If I buy the thin surplus ( 7/11 ) to use in the honey supers, which type of frame goes with it?

How is the thin surplus placed into the frame?

Do I need a wax tube fastener?

What other equipment do I need?

Do I need a therapist? ugh...I am just still not understanding all this bee stuff...

Kathyp · February 18, 2008, 03:24:29 PM

the thin is usually used for comb honey. it doesn't stand up to well to extraction. it's also good for crush and strain, or starter strips. it is placed in the frame as all other foundations are. it is a little more fragile and you want to do it when it's at least at room temp so it's not brittle. i have found the melted wax does a wonderful job of securing the starter strips, but is not needed for full sheet. you may use the wax tube fastener. i got a glass syringe and it works very well also.

Quotewhich type of foundation goes with it?

i think you mean what type of frame? whatever type of frame you use for any of your wax foundation.

DayValleyDahlias · February 18, 2008, 03:56:45 PM

Ops right Kathy I did mean frame...I wasn't sure if a special fame was required...since I have just the one hive, I will probably do crush and strain. Plus I understand that queens do not like to lay in thin surplus.

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Robo · February 18, 2008, 06:06:19 PM

Quote from: DayValleyDahlias on February 18, 2008, 03:56:45 PM
Plus I understand that queens do not like to lay in thin surplus.

Queens will lay fine in thin surplus.... It is 7/11 that they don't like.

rdy-b · February 18, 2008, 07:13:42 PM

Quote from: DayValleyDahlias on February 18, 2008, 03:56:45 PM
Ops right Kathy I did mean frame...I wasn't sure if a special fame was required...since I have just the one hive, I will probably do crush and strain. Plus I understand that queens do not like to lay in thin surplus.

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DayValleyDahlias · February 18, 2008, 07:54:44 PM

It is the 7/11 I am looking for, is that only avail from W T Kelly?

Robo · February 18, 2008, 07:57:45 PM

Quote from: DayValleyDahlias on February 18, 2008, 07:54:44 PM
It is the 7/11 I am looking for, is that only avail from W T Kelly?

Yes, As far as I know, Kelley is the only one that sells 7/11

rdy-b · February 18, 2008, 08:01:50 PM

It never caught on -RDY-B

tillie · February 18, 2008, 11:37:33 PM

Michael Bush has sometimes used 7 11 for comb honey because the cells are larger, the bees only put honey in those cells. I tried some last year from Walter T. Kelley and liked it fine, but I get just as good a result for nice comb with frames with remnants of last year's comb at the edge of the frame.

Thin surplus is thin wax foundation and is not the same as 7 11 - thin surplus is sold in many cell sizes. While the 7 11 is thin surplus, all thin surplus is not 7 11

I hope that makes sense???

Linda T in Atlanta

DayValleyDahlias · February 19, 2008, 10:26:38 AM

Yes, and thank you Tillie. My humble attempts to tranistion to small/natural cell. I was also inspired by your crush and strain video.

Cindi · February 19, 2008, 10:42:41 AM

Oh Sharon, sometimes you make me wanna laugh!!! You say the funnnnnneeeeest things. The comment I am speaking about is the therapy. You have mentioned more than one that you might need a therapist. Now, girl, I think that you are getting close, I think that you should start to think about thinking about thinking about thinking about getting a therapist to be nearby, you are on the brink, hee, hee. All kidding aside, you are gonna figure things out, you can do it, don't worry, therapy never helped anyways, not for this girl. Have a wonderful day, groove on your life. Cindi

DayValleyDahlias · February 19, 2008, 03:04:38 PM

Cindi,

It is the bees, they cannot be controlled, no matter what! Maybe managed...but controlled...NEVAH they say! :evil:

Brian D. Bray · February 19, 2008, 10:30:41 PM

Thin surplus is great for cut comb (chunk) honey. I would not recommend it as brood foundation.

DayValleyDahlias · February 21, 2008, 11:04:42 PM

Brian I was just planning on using it in the honey supers...I don't like using excluders, and I thin MB mentioned that queen don't generally like to lay in the 7/11...

Robo · February 22, 2008, 08:38:34 AM

Unless you are planning to do comb or chunk honey there is no reason to worry about the queen laying in the honey supers. As the brood hatches the bees will store nectar in the cells and basically crowd the queen out of the super. Just wait till the brood is gone before you extract. No need to use excluders for this. Of course if you do plan on comb or chuck, you don't want any brood raising as it leaves cacoons in the cells.

DayValleyDahlias · February 22, 2008, 12:49:09 PM

Thanks Robo, I want to just do crush and strain...that ought to do it!