What do you do with the extra queen from a combine?

millipede · October 23, 2013, 02:33:29 PM

I just combined a late feral swarm with an Italian colony. I tried to get the feral colony ready for winter but they just did not have enough resources. So now I have an extra queen that lays a nice mix of eggs. She apparently had a very good time when she mated. The bees range from nearly black to nice yellow ones and everything in between.
So what do I do with my extra queen? I hate to just kill her off and all.

10framer · October 23, 2013, 03:14:59 PM

if it was me i'd put the mutt in the hive and start a nuc with the italian queen.

Finski · October 23, 2013, 03:58:36 PM

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Feral swarm queens........I squeeze them boath and I put a good queen to the hive.

RHBee · October 23, 2013, 08:56:55 PM

All bees are mutts unless they are artificially inseminated from known genetic stock. Unless you live in a very remote area where no other races of bees exist a naturally mated queen stands a chance of mating outside of her race. Even with such techniques as drone flooding natural mating is still never guaranteed.
I've heard that old queen breeders used to put out poison syrup after locking up their stock to remove any other lines that could mate with their stock in an attempt to maintain purity.
That being said the only way I know to evaluate a queen is only through observation. Brood pattern, temperament, honey gathering of daughters and other criteria that you desire.

merince · October 23, 2013, 09:06:52 PM

You can see if someone in the vicinity or in your bee club needs an extra queen.

millipede · October 23, 2013, 09:44:45 PM

I only have the two hives. I am not sure a nuc would have time to build up stores for the winter. I asked around to see if anyone needs a queen. I have her in a cage in the hive now.

10framer · October 23, 2013, 11:40:48 PM

give them a frame full of pollen and let them eat syrup. shut them down to 3 frames. you'd be surprised what you can get through the winter. i'd want to see what that swarm queen had to offer

Finski · October 24, 2013, 04:38:55 AM

Quote from: 10framer on October 23, 2013, 11:40:48 PM
give them a frame full of pollen and let them eat syrup. shut them down to 3 frames. you'd be surprised what you can get through the winter. i'd want to see what that swarm queen had to offer

That is the worst you can do.

Before winter, join hives, do not split.

In spring, join hives, do not split. Big colony build up much more better than 2 weak colonies.

In USA you get all the time new queens if needed. Or you buy a package and the big colony will be splended.

.When colony is 4 boxes big, then you may make nucs from it.

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RHBee · October 24, 2013, 04:59:25 AM

Quote from: millipede on October 23, 2013, 09:44:45 PM
I only have the two hives. I am not sure a nuc would have time to build up stores for the winter. I asked around to see if anyone needs a queen. I have her in a cage in the hive now.

I didn't know that they had much of winter near Shreveport. More of a chilly dearth. I'm further north than you and the coldest I can remember was 5 days under 20 degF back in the early 70's. Pipes busted and schools closed. Bad winter!

T Beek · October 24, 2013, 06:57:54 AM

Quote from: RHBee on October 23, 2013, 08:56:55 PM
All bees are mutts unless they are artificially inseminated from known genetic stock. Unless you live in a very remote area where no other races of bees exist a naturally mated queen stands a chance of mating outside of her race. Even with such techniques as drone flooding natural mating is still never guaranteed.
I've heard that old queen breeders used to put out poison syrup after locking up their stock to remove any other lines that could mate with their stock in an attempt to maintain purity.
That being said the only way I know to evaluate a queen is only through observation. Brood pattern, temperament, honey gathering of daughters and other criteria that you desire.

X:X

Make up a NUC with that extra Queen. I hate killing queens, even poor performers.

RHBee · October 24, 2013, 09:45:40 AM

<Make up a NUC with that extra Queen. I hate killing queens, even poor performers.>

That's kinda what I was getting at. As long she is is laying a good pattern, her daughters aren't so mean that they're a menace and they don't require constant feeding I would give her a chance.

I agree with 10framer, Nuc the Itallian and give the mutt the main hive. Sounds like she got busy during her mating flight. At least she was a go-getter.

Finski · October 24, 2013, 10:55:06 AM

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If we speak about extra queen, it is extra queen.
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During summer I kill hundreds of queens. One hive makes usually 15 queens. What else I can do than flatten them.

10 hives = 150 flatten queens.

T Beek · October 24, 2013, 11:19:57 AM

Strange beekeeping in Finland :-\ Why not sell or at least share them. Queens can be quite lucrative .......

Finski · October 24, 2013, 02:26:04 PM

Quote from: T Beek on October 24, 2013, 11:19:57 AM
Strange beekeeping in Finland :-\ Why not sell or at least share them. Queens can be quite lucrative .......

No one buy swarming cells/queens. Except tontos...

10framer · October 24, 2013, 02:36:34 PM

Quote from: Finski on October 24, 2013, 04:38:55 AM
Quote from: 10framer on October 23, 2013, 11:40:48 PM
give them a frame full of pollen and let them eat syrup. shut them down to 3 frames. you'd be surprised what you can get through the winter. i'd want to see what that swarm queen had to offer

That is the worst you can do.

Before winter, join hives, do not split.

In spring, join hives, do not split. Big colony build up much more better than 2 weak colonies.

In USA you get all the time new queens if needed. Or you buy a package and the big colony will be splended.

.When colony is 4 boxes big, then you may make nucs from it.

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it didn't take long for me to be crowned the worst beekeeper in the world again.

Finski · October 24, 2013, 02:57:48 PM

Quote from: 10framer on October 24, 2013, 02:36:34 PM

it didn't take long for me to be crowned the worst beekeeper in the world again.

Heh he. There are other merits to achieve in the world
Like good balance in marriage. The mister does not trust to his wife fully, because he is slanting too to right.

Finski · October 24, 2013, 03:34:32 PM

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There was a case in Finnish beekeeping forum 4 weeks ago. A beek got 25 mini mating nucs from professional queen breeder. He asked what to do. 25 cupfulls assistant workers and 25 young mated queens.
He want to put all together and queens will clear out, which is quicker.

Another writer had as much queens. He dropped mating nucs onto excluder and sieved extra queens away.

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RHBee · October 24, 2013, 04:08:04 PM

Quote from: 10framer on October 24, 2013, 02:36:34 PM

it didn't take long for me to be crowned the worst beekeeper in the world again.

Rob,
Join the club. Don't take it personal. :D I don't.

GSF · October 24, 2013, 09:56:19 PM

He's leaning to the right because a front tire is missing from the left side

T Beek · October 25, 2013, 06:06:00 AM

Quote from: GSF on October 24, 2013, 09:56:19 PM
He's leaning to the right because a front tire is missing from the left side

:laugh: That's the joke of the PIC. The Fin has been posting IT for years. :(

HEY! If I'ever offended ANYONE on this forum I apologize. With the exception of FINSKI I've never intentionally tried to offend anyone :-D. He asks for it and deserves more than he gets. Why would a Fin who hates American Beekeeping and Keepers spend so much time on this forum is a good question (One I've asked him several times).

Bees sting and so do their keepers I suppose. Is it just natural? :)

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