Cutout transportation survival

Ben Framed · March 21, 2018, 02:19:51 PM

While transporting bees after a cutout, I realize that if the box gets to cool the larva will die. And if the box gets too hot inside, the bees will die. My question is what or how do you keep the larva and bees alive on the trip home? And what tempature is to cool and what tempature is to hot for the inside of the box area? Any input will be greatly appreciated.

Acebird · March 21, 2018, 02:30:48 PM

I have never heard of bees dying when it is cold. If there is enough bees they can heat the brood. They die from heat because they are in a panic mode so without enough ventilation they will die rather quickly (from their own heat). Not so much from ambient temperatures because I assume you will be in the vehicle and you won't die. Two out of the six sides should be screened like a package.

Michael Bush · March 22, 2018, 09:28:44 AM

The main thing is don't try to save all the brood. Scrap all of the drone brood, and half of the worker brood so that the brood you do have is well covered in bees.

eltalia · March 22, 2018, 10:02:00 AM

Perhaps I am missing something here?
Planning a cutout when airtemps are "warm" I can understand.
Planning a cutout when airtemps are so low as to think chilling
might be a factor to accomodate..?.. why would one?

Bill

iddee · March 22, 2018, 10:21:04 AM

70 F. is minimum. There is no maximum if you have shade and ventilation.

Kathyp · March 22, 2018, 11:07:10 AM

QuotePlanning a cutout when airtemps are so low as to think chilling
might be a factor to accomodate..?.. why would one?

"Hey, I just found a hive in a building I have to tear down tomorrow."

Ben Framed · March 22, 2018, 08:59:38 PM

Quote from: Acebird on March 21, 2018, 02:30:48 PM
I have never heard of bees dying when it is cold. If there is enough bees they can heat the brood. They die from heat because they are in a panic mode so without enough ventilation they will die rather quickly (from their own heat). Not so much from ambient temperatures because I assume you will be in the vehicle and you won't die. Two out of the six sides should be screened like a package.

Nor have I, My question was about the tempature being to cold for larva. Please read again. Perhaps if you were to put the fresh cutout in a heated van all would be ok but this is a luxury that I don't have. I refuse to compromise the larva if I can avoid handling them improperly. I am in no hurry to make the cutout until I know the facts!! But thanks for your reply just the same.

Ben Framed · March 22, 2018, 09:11:36 PM

Quote from: eltalia on March 22, 2018, 10:02:00 AM
Perhaps I am missing something here?
Planning a cutout when airtemps are "warm" I can understand.
Planning a cutout when airtemps are so low as to think chilling
might be a factor to accomodate..?.. why would one?

Bill

Yes Bill, Apparently you are missing something here . I will ask you the same question , why would one do a cut out when the tempature is to chilling for such an operation? First of all you missed the fact that you are apparently an expert beekeeper with over 3000 post. You may have missed that this my second post "2 post". And being so, I am not such an expert and you. If you read my post carefully I never mentioned that I have planned a cutout when tempature are to chilling. I did ask what tempature is to cold to transport larva successfuly, So that I may avoid a catastrophe when I do make the cut out. But thank you for your reply just the same. I am trying to learn as I go and was thinking that if I join this forum with such astounding bee experts as yourself and many others , that you would be more than happy to over look, a question that you can't understand and answer the one that you can understand . Thanks , Phillip Hall

Ben Framed · March 22, 2018, 09:12:31 PM

Quote from: Michael Bush on March 22, 2018, 09:28:44 AM
The main thing is don't try to save all the brood. Scrap all of the drone brood, and half of the worker brood so that the brood you do have is well covered in bees.

Thank you Michael, and thank you for your patience.. 😁

Ben Framed · March 22, 2018, 09:14:00 PM

Quote from: iddee on March 22, 2018, 10:21:04 AM
70 F. is minimum. There is no maximum if you have shade and ventilation.

Thank you iddee! Just the answer that I was looking for!! Now I can plan ahead!!

Ben Framed · March 22, 2018, 09:14:55 PM

Quote from: kathyp on March 22, 2018, 11:07:10 AM
QuotePlanning a cutout when airtemps are so low as to think chilling
might be a factor to accomodate..?.. why would one?

"Hey, I just found a hive in a building I have to tear down tomorrow."

Thank you for your reply.😁

Ben Framed · March 22, 2018, 10:49:53 PM

I just want to say thanks to each of you that was kind enough to reply. I have watched numerious videos on this subject and am excited about the prospective "adventures" to come. Each one of you, I am sure, have spent many hours, days , and years learning about bees and you, sharing your knodlege is very selfless and commendable. I am new here and don't really have anything to offer except my gratitude and appreciation. I have found a guy on YouTube from Australia that has some interesting videos also. The scenery ther is beautiful!! Bill do you have a YouTube channel? If so I would like to see your videos as well!! Thanks again to all!! Sincerely, Phillip Hall "Ben Framed"

iddee · March 23, 2018, 08:07:46 AM

We still don't know where you are. Please put your location in your profile if you want accurate answers to your questions.

Ben Framed · March 23, 2018, 09:11:59 AM

Quote from: iddee on March 23, 2018, 08:07:46 AM
We still don't know where you are. Please put your location in your profile if you want accurate answers to your questions.

I am in North Mississippi. As soon as I figure out how to add to my profile I will add, still trying to find my way around here. This is new to me, again, thanks..

jimineycricket · March 23, 2018, 10:30:47 AM

At the top of the home page click on profile, then just above the wide red line that says "Summary" click on modify profile. Then you are on your own.

Kathyp · March 23, 2018, 01:54:06 PM

Quote70 F. is minimum. There is no maximum if you have shade and ventilation.

This is probably not an issue for you in Mississippi and I NEVER want to disagree with Iddee

but for some of us in colder climates, waiting for 70 degrees is not possible. I have done them in much colder weather, the rain, sleet, etc. and been successful. That said, the bees were acclimated to our area and used to much colder temps.

When I do a cutout especially in bad conditions, I do as much cleaning out of the hive as I can before I address the brood. I remove it and get it banded into a box as quickly as I can and do try to save as much as I can, especially eggs. Bad weather cutouts for me are usually done early in the year and because someone has to have it done NOW. That means less honey to have to clean out and not as much brood. That's a good thing if you are trying to move quickly.

Somewhere on here are helpful hints for cutouts and equipment. I think everyone put their best info in there, so if you can find it, it's worth a read.

Let us know how it goes for you.

Ah, here it is
https://beemaster.com/forum/index.php?topic=13767.0

Ben Framed · March 23, 2018, 05:24:10 PM

KathyP
This was very helpful as well
As intresting. Thank you very much for taking the time to add these comments. I am in no big hurry and the weather is getting better each day. Frost yesterday morning but low 50's this morning! Your experience with this gives me even more confidence that the brood should make it just fine!! Thank you again!! Sincerely, Phillip

Ben Framed · March 23, 2018, 06:14:17 PM

Quote from: jimineycricket on March 23, 2018, 10:30:47 AM
At the top of the home page click on profile, then just above the wide red line that says "Summary" click on modify profile. Then you are on your own.

Thanks for the help ✅

eltalia · March 24, 2018, 04:33:31 PM

Quote from: Ben Framed on March 22, 2018, 09:11:36 PM
Quote from: eltalia on March 22, 2018, 10:02:00 AM
Perhaps I am missing something here?
Planning a cutout when airtemps are "warm" I can understand.
Planning a cutout when airtemps are so low as to think chilling
might be a factor to accomodate..?.. why would one?

Bill
Yes Bill, Apparently you are missing something here . I will ask you the same question , why would one
do a cut out when the tempature is to chilling for such an operation?
(edit)

I would not, not plan for it neither, like in allowing for contingincies(sp?).
I might try a wintering version of a trapout, leaving them be to transition
over time, but no way woild I disturb a colony in those conditions.

My post was to have all folk think.. not just you, and certainly not directed
at you. Where I failed to communicate this I apologise for my tardy education
in those things.

Bill

Ben Framed · March 24, 2018, 08:51:07 PM

To eltalia
Thank you Bill, I do appreicate your reply and comments. Your and others,experience, is the reason I joined this forum!! PS and thanks for not black balling me on my first question lol!! 😁