Honey test results, your not gonna believe, antibiotics!!

Started by van from Arkansas, April 24, 2019, 05:35:47 PM

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van from Arkansas

Note the antibiotic??????  Yes antibiotics in honey.  Not sure how they got there.

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Tested by UA Global inc, New Jersey USA and Ukraine.
Blessings
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The15thMember

Van, could you explain the analysis results more thoroughly for us newbees, please? 
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van from Arkansas

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The four ingredients on the right side of the paper are all antibiotics.  Chloramphenicol an antibiotic used in the US was a last resort antibiotic that was so toxic it was banned for human use about 2004.  The measurements are in parts per billion, ppb, which literally means 1ppm equals one part to a billion parts of honey or water.

Metronidazole is a protozoan inhibitors used on humans to treat diseases like a Beaver Fever or amoeba.  Protozoan are large enough microbes to see with a magnifying glass.

Nitrofuran: I do not know, I would have to google.  From the name I realize it is form of a nitrate which is not good for the body.  The main purpose of the kidneys is to eliminate nitrates in the form of urea thus the name urine.  These measurements are in gram a kilogram or g slash kilogram, g/kg.

The measurements are very small, not enough to cause alarm however, a total surprise to me that honey contains antibiotics.  Antibiotics from where?   Well,,, antibiotics are in cattle feed, chicken feed, sprayed on apple blossoms and other sources I am not aware of.

Did I explain satisfactory, Member?
I have been around bees a long time, since birth.  I am a hobbyist so my answers often reflect this fact.  I concentrate on genetics, raise my own queens by wet graft, nicot, with natural or II breeding.  I do not sell queens, I will give queens  for free but no shipping.

Oldbeavo

They are basically negative results,
they are in "parts per billion" with Chloramphenicol being less than 0.3ppb.
Chloramphenicol was removed from circulation to protect it efficacy. It is effective against what is known as the "Plague".
Australia removed it for the same reason.
It is still available in Europe and is used in racing pigeons that I know of.

van from Arkansas

Thank you Old Beavo.

I will add the honey tested is my favorite, Acacia Honey or white honey as some call it.  I have to purchase from overseas so I always demand testing.  From the subject that M. Bush just posted, syrup in honey, a person can understand why I want tested honey from overseas.

Acacia honey is the sweetest, lightest honey in the world IMHO.  Never crystallizes as Acacia is high in fructose sugar [fruit sugar] and low in glucose [blood sugar].  Arkansas or common US honey is 50 percent fructose, 50 percent glucose.  Tupelo honey, Northern Florida, is very similar to Acacia in that Tupelo Honey is high in fructose.  Table sugar is also 50, 50 fructose glucose.
Cheers
I have been around bees a long time, since birth.  I am a hobbyist so my answers often reflect this fact.  I concentrate on genetics, raise my own queens by wet graft, nicot, with natural or II breeding.  I do not sell queens, I will give queens  for free but no shipping.

drobbins

what it says is that any antibiotics present are below the threshold the test can detect
it doesn't mean they aren't there, just that the test can't detect it
a couple of parts per billion ain't much

van from Arkansas

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I agree one part per billion is not much but that is relative.  One part per billion plutonium and we would be toast.  One pert per billion fentyl, pain medication would be deadly, although I have not done the actual math as I am trying to make a point of relative.  If you want the actual math for fentyl I will figure for you.
Blessings

Carfentanil, google, lethal dose;  Aerosolized Carfentanil would be dangerous at 0.00001983 ppm (or 0.01983 ppb [parts per billion]).   From google now we are talking 1.6 parts per TRILLION, not billion.  I did not realize it was that powerful, first time I have ever seen ppt, parts per trillion.
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The15thMember

Thank you for the additional info, Van. Very interesting, and mysterious.
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van from Arkansas

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Quote from: drobbins on April 24, 2019, 08:51:13 PM
what it says is that any antibiotics present are below the threshold the test can detect
it doesn't mean they aren't there, just that the test can't detect it
a couple of parts per billion ain't much

The test states less than 10 ppb on tetracycline. Which means an accurate rate of 1ppb,  The way the numbers are written tell me the accurate of the device:
1
1.0
1.00
1.000

The first number has an accurate rate of 1
The second has an accuracy of 0.1
The fourth has an accuracy rate of .0001.

With such test, numbers are written to designate the accuracy.

So nitroimidazole with .2ppb is accurate to plus or minus 0.1 ppb.
I have been around bees a long time, since birth.  I am a hobbyist so my answers often reflect this fact.  I concentrate on genetics, raise my own queens by wet graft, nicot, with natural or II breeding.  I do not sell queens, I will give queens  for free but no shipping.

BeeMaster2

Van,
It doesn?t say it measures a certain amount, it says that it is less than .2, .3 and so on. I still think the results are below what the instrument can measure.
Jim Altmiller
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CoolBees

Quote from: sawdstmakr on April 24, 2019, 11:41:30 PM
Van,
It doesn?t say it measures a certain amount, it says that it is less than .2, .3 and so on. I still think the results are below what the instrument can measure.
Jim Altmiller

Thats a good point - to ask the testing agency for clarification on. They often do that to "cya" when the detection rate isn't low enough according to the lawers. I.e. if they can't detect "zero" content with certainty. I've seen that before. Fwiw.
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Michael Bush

Is this your honey?  And you're saying you use no antibiotics?  I assume if that is true then it comes from animal feed.  Chicken feed is often medicated in fact I can't find unmedicated chick feed so I use game bird feed for chicks because of this.  Bees often gather dust from feed when there is a pollen dearth.
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Acebird

Quote from: Michael Bush on April 25, 2019, 08:52:43 AM
Chicken feed is often medicated in fact I can't find unmedicated chick feed so I use game bird feed for chicks because of this.
That is why we used organic feed for our chickens.  As the use of all drugs becomes more prevalent for humans the amount of those drugs in ground water increases.  There is no way to stop the leaching of ground water into public water supplies.  So that says the higher density of people per sq mi. will show a higher concentration of drugs in ground water.  We need to stop with the legal drugs because we are all taking them whether we want to or not.
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Michael Bush

>We need to stop with the legal drugs because we are all taking them whether we want to or not.

Yes we are.  And I do not want to.
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