Jars - plastic/glass

Started by max2, April 02, 2024, 03:55:08 PM

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max2

We have been using Glass for our jars since we started selling honey -  actually 48 years ago .
We only bottle honey in plastic for Overseas sales - the weight is the issue. Glass is also fragile and you don't want the container to break.
We have always taken the jars back, we pay a dollar per jar, and clean and sterilise the jar  and reuse them again and again.
There is an issue with CO2 ( think Climate change) with all packaging.
Reusing glass seems to be the best solution.

Have a read here: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68429393

Michael Bush

Reusing glass has always made the most sense.  Recycling does not have a very good track records, but reusing glass has been done for centuries and saves a lot of energy over recycling glass.
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Terri Yaki

Quote from: Michael Bush on April 03, 2024, 05:56:01 AM
Reusing glass has always made the most sense.  Recycling does not have a very good track records, but reusing glass has been done for centuries and saves a lot of energy over recycling glass.
Can't argue with any of that but for some reason, the lefties aren't onto that. And you guys are old enough that you remember when glass was used??    :cool:

Ben Framed

I remember when Coca-Cola bottles were reused//recycled as well as other major (refreshment) drink companies . The bottles actually had a date stamped on them and I remember noticing some had been in use for years. For what ever reason, Coca-Cola stopped recycling.

Terri Yaki

Quote from: Ben Framed on April 03, 2024, 08:42:49 AM
I remember when Coca-Cola bottles were reused//recycled as well as other major (refreshment) drink companies . They actually had a date stamped on them and I remember noticing some had been in use for years. For what ever reason, Coca-Cola stopped recycling.
I remember my grandfather talking about collecting bottles with his Radio Flyer and saving up to buy toys and candy.  :cheesy:

Ben Framed

Quote from: Ben Framed on April 03, 2024, 08:42:49 AM
I remember when Coca-Cola bottles were reused//recycled as well as other major (refreshment) drink companies . The bottles actually had a date stamped on them and I remember noticing some had been in use for years. For what ever reason, Coca-Cola stopped recycling.


There was a lot involved in recycling, I suppose it is more cost effective to simply produce new drink containers than recycle glass.

Terri Yaki

Quote from: Ben Framed on April 03, 2024, 08:51:43 AM
Quote from: Ben Framed on April 03, 2024, 08:42:49 AM
I remember when Coca-Cola bottles were reused//recycled as well as other major (refreshment) drink companies . The bottles actually had a date stamped on them and I remember noticing some had been in use for years. For what ever reason, Coca-Cola stopped recycling.


There was a lot involved in recycling, I suppose it is more cost effective to simply produce new drink containers than recycle glass.

No doubt. First it was cheaper to just throw away the glass then it was cheaper to make them out of plastic. As an added benefit, the plastic weighs a lot less. I wonder how the 'carbon footprint' compares.

Michael Bush

There was a 2 cent deposit on them when I was young.  It went up to 3 cents by the time I was in High School.  We road all over town on our bicycles looking for bottles in the ditch.  There weren't a lot, but we could always find a few.  We would cash them in and get penny candy.
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Ben Framed

Same here Mr Bush except they reached a nickel deposit in my time. One summer when I was 15, I had had enough of the hayfield from the previous summer lol and obtained an easy job at a grocery store. :-)

The volume of returned Coke bottles were staggering. We had a huge area set aside for the sole purpose of empty drink bottles; Recycling was a cooperative effort, both public and private, but it did work for many years until those drink companies (corporations)  threw in the towel.

Phillip

Ben Framed

Mr Bush I also remember at the old country stores in my area, we had a choice. We could drink the refreshment in the store, while listening to the old men gab, or we could pay the added deposit and take it with us. Now for some reason if you were to buy a coke from a machine in Memphis or a larger town, the price was the same but the bottle was yours without the added deposit. 🤷🏻‍♂️

animal

Quote from: Michael Bush on April 03, 2024, 09:21:14 AM
There was a 2 cent deposit on them when I was young.  It went up to 3 cents by the time I was in High School.  We road all over town on our bicycles looking for bottles in the ditch.  There weren't a lot, but we could always find a few.  We would cash them in and get penny candy.
I had it good .. Coke bottles were 5 cents, 3 cents for Nehi,RC and such ... and crappy people threw 'em out the window just like crappy people do today. and ... comic books were only 10 cents for the regular ones, 25 cents for the thick square back ones
Interstate 10 was just one chain link fence away from my backyard ... lots of bottles ... harvest was every 2 weeks or so, and hated to see the mowers come through .. such waste and busted glass to avoid in bare feet :cheesy:
(also learned pretty quick to hide my face from traffic to avoid butt beatings for being out on the highway.. neighbors would always rat you out to your parents if they saw you do something.. sometimes they would swat a you a few times AND rat you out so you got it twice)
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Ben Framed

> such waste and busted glass to avoid in bare feet :cheesy:

True of both counts. Those returnable bottles were thick!

Michael Bush

>neighbors would always rat you out to your parents if they saw you do something..

Sometimes it just looked suspicious and you'd be in trouble...
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Ben Framed

Per your request  Bil.

Phillip


Bill Murray
Jars - plastic/glass
on: Today at 09:46:09 pm

Well for some reason couldnt answer to this post so started this. ADMIN please combine.

I started a BYOB that has worked out way to well. Sell the bottle you bring it back, I refill. No longer my bottle, yours. No sterilizing, labels, etc.

Ben Framed

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Bill Murray
I started a BYOB that has worked out way to well. Sell the bottle you bring it back, I refill. No longer my bottle, yours. No sterilizing, labels, etc.


Good idea Bill...

Phillip

Kathyp

Oregon has a deposit fee on bottle, cans, and even paint.  You'd think that at 10 cents an item people would return, but they don't.  Kids don't collect much anymore, but adults are often out there picking up cans to return.  I guess a dime is meaningless to kids these days, but it bought the good candy when I was a kid.

I sold eggs, but never the honey.  I just gave it away to friends and family.  The kids like the honey bears so plastic it is for them.  Jars for everyone else. 
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Jim134

   Every once in a while.. You can find  sue honey.. From the USA.. at the local grocery store where I live.. It is in glass bottles.  .   Believe it or not it's about the same price as the USA. Yes, I am located in the Philippine Islands. All the local honey I have seen come in glass.. Except for gallon jugs. A gallon jug is approximately $17.00 US. You can't get it down to $15.00 US.. If you want to buy four at a time.



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Ben Framed

Wow Jim, the price is right! Is other things at the grocery stores there, as reasonable as honey?

maxell86

Milk is better in glass. Just to keep it colder and fresher for longer.
Run your finger around the plastic milk bottle rim, they all seem to be the same, on the verge of slicing into your skin.
And who has time to transfer liquids from plastic to glass. We would if we get industrial disease.

Bega seems to confused regarding vegemite, they use glass jars, plastic lids and labels.
And anyone buying cheese in soft plastics... does anyone know what to do?

The thing about honey in plastic. We have a few examples of Claytons Plastics. Err how to put this.... looking at different angles of view of the translucent container base, you can see the oil rainbow. Like seen at any busy car park after the rain.
I am sure it is all fine. Until it isn't.

There used to be aluminum can collections in the 80's but it came and went just as quick.

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I know some people are a little freaked out by aluminum right now, but I'm always surprised that aluminum isn't marketed as a more ecologically sound alternative to plastic.  It's so much more recyclable than plastic, and it will break down over several hundred years, as opposed to never with plastic. 
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