Is honeyjars.net a scam?

[deknow]

I'm guessing that you have never set up an ecommerce site....I don't mean _have_ an ecommerce site, I mean setup a site on a server probably using some sort of PHP based CMS, install (or build) some PHP add on for ecommerce, buy various modules from various vendors to handle things like shipping based on weight, size, and address, taking credit cards, customizing templates and checkout fields, organizing the store (after about 5 items you figure out that not everything can be on top) so that customers can/will find what they need, getting photos taken and proper images associated with the proper product....

I have, and what I've seen is what it looks like while you are trying to put it together.  There are various ways to streamline the process or use services that take care of some of the details...but this is generally the process, and if you've never done it before (even if you have but don't do it all the time) it takes a lot of time....step by step.  I can't tell you the number of hours I put into redoing our site/store (I won't link to it to keep the commercial content down...but my username dot Com forwards to it I think)...and even then, not everything is perfect...but it's pretty good (the big advance is that the entire checkout procedure happens on a single page all at once without going to a payment website at any time).

I would be interested if you could find the email in your trash folder....on the site the address to send the check to is simply unpopulated fields

Cheque Payment
Please send your cheque to Store Name, Store Street, Store Town, Store State / County, Store Postcode

I'm not defending them...I just don't think this smells like a scam...a scam would make it easier to send them money, and probably would target a larger group of people than beekeepers buying jars in bulk.  It smells more like someone got a good deal on a partial container load of jars and has them stored, and is working on channels to sell them...and doesn't have time or reason to make the site functional.

I wouldn't send a check based only on an email from them....but I think it is sloppy/unfinished, not scammy.

[sc-bee]

I sent them an email (I dont recall what day)....asking for pricing and availabilty (for some products listed, and some that were not listed...like glaas half pou d jars).  I have not heard back.  My email was sincere, not some kind of bait.

I don't de-know if the finger is wagging at me My e-mail was not bait... I just thought it was perhaps a way to nip it in the bud for them to see and make a statement, even if in a return e-mail. I guess I am a little sheltered but I would have never flagged the site as not legit. I thought the features on the site worked, except I guess it is pick-up only? Not sure but it would not calculate shipping. And as I said above the prices did not seem much better than the supplier I mentioned above, just on 12 oz bears however. The nickle you saved would surely be eaten up in shipping...unless I totally did the math wrong. And that is entirely possible
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[deknow]

The checkout screen clearly says 'pickup only'.

When. I said that my email was not bait, I was not trying to insult you....I was saying that I legitimately and actually buy jars by the pallet....my email was actually an inquiry about prices of something I would  consider buying from them.

[sc-bee]

The checkout screen clearly says 'pickup only'.

When. I said that my email was not bait, I was not trying to insult you....I was saying that I legitimately and actually buy jars by the pallet....my email was actually an inquiry about prices of something I would  consider buying from them.

I was a little confused about the pick-up only because I saw the calculate shipping option. I too was legitimately interested. Just thought an e-mail was a way for the company to clear the air........no better way to nip it in the bud than to address potential consumer doubts...maybe they are too busy or like someone said are selling a few overrun loads and it ain't worth the trouble to reply...their option. I have no reason to think it is a scam. As someone said, what a small target audience if a scam. If I am going to scam I would choose something that appeals to masses....like maybe.... toilet paper 

[chux]

I would be interested if you could find the email in your trash folder....on the site the address to send the check to is simply unpopulated fields

Cheque Payment
Please send your cheque to Store Name, Store Street, Store Town, Store State / County, Store Postcode

I checked my other email folder. There it was. The address they say to send the cheque to is the same as the empty fields you mention. Now that you mention it, a scammer would probably make it much easier to send money to him/her.

But...1) If this were a scam, it is probably only one of many that the scammer is running. Takes little effort to set up this site, and dozens like it, hitting different smaller target demographics. 2) If it is a legit business, but is this slip-shod online, I would not do business with them unless they were local to me and face to face.

I have gotten emails from folks all over the world, trying to run one scam or another. Some stories are better than others. In each case, I laugh to myself thinking it is silly that they would think to take me in. Then I think, they must be taking somebody in. So maybe this site is a poor attempt at a scam from a newbie? Maybe it is a legit business trying to get off the ground? If the latter, sounds like they have been alerted to this discussion, and would surely chime in to defend themselves and drum up some business??

[sc-bee]

sounds like they have been alerted to this discussion, and would surely chime in to defend themselves and drum up some business??

BINGO!!! We have a winner!

[Jim134]

deknow.,....

    There are a few distributors in New England that does handle  glass classic honey  jars maybe you have done business with them  before. It just seems to me like it would be cheaper on shipping and handling.
Are you and Dean buying glassware by the trailer load yet ??

              BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

[deknow]

Not by the trailer load....but certainly by the pallet.

I've been amazed at how cheap freight shipping is (on pallets)...1000 lbs on a pallet ships for well under $100.  When you compare that what it costs to ship a few small boxes, it is staggering.

Since you know the area Jim, we are in the old Union Products (pink lawn flamingo) factory on 117....so we have access to loading docks.

[NeilTheCop]

I do have to side with deknow on his observation.
In my cop career I did find that the true scam websites were constructed by professionals and seemed completely legitimate. This site is very slipshod and seems to have been put together to a price rather than a standard.

Still wouldn't trust it though 

[buzzbee]

Wow, three pages wondering about this jar site.The site is likely legit, No guarantees here mind you. But the site owner shouldn't have made that page available to the world until things were more  functional. I'm sure the particular page raised questions from more than Foxhound.
And if it is "pickup" only,I'm not sure I would have a dded a nonfunctioning shipping calculator.

[Dallasbeek]

Obviously, there's not a lot going on in the hive, huh?

[BeeMaster2]

Deknow,
I think you are correct. Just a poorly run business and a badly designed website.
I still will not be sending them my money.
Jim

[sc-bee]

Deknow,
I think you are correct. Just a poorly run business and a badly designed website.
I still will not be sending them my money.
Jim

Not if they give as much attention to their customers as they do their website 

[Jim134]

   Yeah Johnny Appleseed country/ plastic city haha hope you and Dean are doing well. And yes I know exactly where that building is at. You the only one in that building or did the owner section are off. Or maybe you bought it oh well. I did move to New Hampshire and my bees are in Vernon, Vermont. The farmer I have my bees now is a organic dairy farm their main product is yogurt. He did buy a bunch of fencing for his farm and bought a trailer load.It came from South Carolina $850 for delivery and the product was about 45% cheaper then from a New England distributor from the exact same manufacturer.
     Hope to see you soon I will be going to the fall Massachusetts Beekeepers Association at the Red Apple Farm in Phillipston ,Massachusetts hope you can make it. And yes my bees are close to Yankee nuclear power plant in Vernon, Vermont

http://massbee.org/meetings/2015-fall-meeting




              BEE HAPPY Jim 134 :)

[Duane]

Let me preface my comment with I won't be sending them a check or 'cheque' as the case may be.

Consider it's a recently created site.  As others have said, things take time to set up. 
Also consider, someone who speaks spanish (hors), wants to start a business.
But also consider, that the template builder speaks spanish and the generic fields were not changed.
As far as the e-mail back goes, consider it wasn't a person, but a computer generated acknowledgement using the same generic fields.
Consider someone who is good at work, is not so good at fiddling with computer software.

And then, consider how many of you use a name such as so-and-so honey farms.  But if people were to go to your "farm", they might say it's not legitimate.  There's only 10 hives.  In your back yard.  And you bottle it in your garage.  That's not legit.

What is "legit"?  Many people try to appear bigger than they are.  This guy may want to start a reselling jar business.  He has to start somewhere.  And any "legit" business would start small instead of going into debt.  Otherwise, if he had a fancy physical storefront, a fancy warehouse, you send your check, and the bank forecloses on him.  What is "legit".

It's just in this case, this guy is not yet set up for business.  He started a web site but has not finished it, whether scam or real.  It may be a dream.  He may be busy getting other things together.  He may no longer be there except for the server computer.  Not likely he even has the jars, yet.  Currently, I don't see he's scamming anyone because no one would know where to send the check.  Doubt very many could be taken no matter how bad they wanted to part with their money.

He's just not ready for business.

[Hi-Tech]

Here's my question.. How did anyone hear about this site? if it was found just browsing google, then the bots may have found his site and added it to the search engines. He may have started it and then canned the whole idea before it was ever off the ground good. I have found in my business that people buy domain names and put up websites to only discard the idea but never take the site down. if he advertised it (banners, sent out spam...) then he is probably scamming.

another possibility is he is domain squatting. Putting up something that the domain name is associated with in the hopes of later selling that domain name to a big company that wants it. I see that all the time..

[bman23]

Prices seem WAY too cheap IMO.  I always go with my gut and the good ole' saying "If it looks too good to be true...it probably is!"

I usually source supplies like this from http://beehivekits.org.

Reliable and have never had an issue with an order.  Good luck!

[iddee]

bman, I went to that site, but found no way to contact them. Am I missing something?

[bman23]

iddee - at the top right of any page, you will see social icons (youtube, facebook, etc)...the one on the right is an envelope icon, that will get you to a contact form.  hope that helps!

[Hi-Tech]

It looks like the site was created in June of this year and is registered to the someone in New Jersey but he may just be the web developer

He also owns:
bestpicklottosoftware.info
bestpick4lotto.com
pick3lottosystem.com
bestpick5lotto.com


First Name Biagio

Last Name Iellimo

Telephone 9737275736

Email [email protected]