Cheap Sugar

[Jim134]

A trailer load of sugar would be roughly 25 ton. Not  a of side line is or hobbies would ever use that much. The cheapest place you can buy sugar by the bag ( in small quantities  such as 1 pallet) is  Sysco foods.. if I remember right a pallet is about a ton and a quarter.

       


                      BEE HAPPY Jim 134   

[flyboy]

The reason for genetically modifying plants is to make them produce a toxin to kill pests (insects) or, so the plant can be sprayed with glyphosphate and it won't kill the plant. The cane sugar growers apparently also use glyphosphate, but it is the lesser of two evils IMO.

Watch this vid with Dr. Stephanie Seneff specifically that statement on glyphosphate @ 5:30 or so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbQ9BxQZyMU

Here Stephanie mentions amoungst a number of other things is the sugar used for bees.

For more info on the type of scientific messin with the facts Watch this 2 part vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13yO9VpjwLQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPBPfWrFwuI


"Genetic Roulette" the movie 

[Joe D]

There is a local chain grocery store that has it for .37 per pound, and with price match I can get it most places.   I have made a little wine also, I did put a little extra sugar in, didn't want any of the yeast to go hungry.  I done care for dry wine anyway.



Joe D

[D Coates]

Flyboy, If this was also so easy and clear cut there'd be a class action lawsuit before I could even type this.  There a lawyers EVERY where trying to figure out ways to sue all types of folks.  They don't here because they don't have enough evidence to even consider it.  Keep in mind they don't get paid unless they win.  What I really don't understand with the folks that are convinced GMO and Round Up are so bad what's the financial benefit to even accidentally poisoning your customers?  Uh none, rule #1 sick or dead customers don't make for good business.  Don't even start on the "Big Ag" conspiracy stuff....  Do the people who work for these companies specifically avoid eating and feeding their children products that contain GMO or Round Up?  Nope.  This is more of the sky is falling stuff.  Again, follow what religion you want but the whole GMO and Round up scare walks, looks, and sounds like agenda driven garbage to me. 

Keep in mind I clearly remember when claims of eggs were going to kill us all, the hole in the ozone was going to kill us, Global cooling, then warming, ....now climate change was going to kill us off, coffee was going to give us cancer, apples were claimed to be poisonous, red wine and chocolate were supposed to be good for us, etc...

[iddee]

D Coates, don't forget. Bacon WILL give you cancer. Then somebody decided to ask how much.

It seems eating 250 lbs. of bacon daily for 350 years DEFINITELY WILL give you cancer. Most truths aren't given with even a hint of completeness.

[Richard M]

As far as I can ascertain, commercially available GM sugarbeet has been/is being developed with the following characteristics:

Herbicide (glyphosate) resistance - to allow no-till agriculture which protects soil structure, and minimises erosion (remember the Dust Bowl?).

Rhizomania virus resistance.

Fungal resistance - reducing the need to spray fungicides.

Nematode resistance - avoiding the need to spray nematocides which also kill beneficial soil nematodes.

Drought tolerance - reducing the need for irrigation water.

No record that I could find anywhere (on Google anyway) of Bt genes (which express a natural insecticide) being put into commercially available sugar beet varieties.

To put these matters into some perspective, we have an urgent up-coming dilemma on this planet, namely a projected population increase of 2-3 billion people  by 2050 over and above the 7+ billion we already have (30-40% increase) and somehow we are going to have to feed them (actually "us") all.

We could maybe achieve this with current crop yields by cutting down any remaining forest cover and wilderness and converting it all to arable land, sucking every last river dry for irrigation, and polluting what's left by further increasing use of pesticides, herbicides, fertilisers etc, going vegetarian and maybe introducing food rationing; however I enjoy a nice steak every now and then and I'm not sure that this is a future I would want to bestow on my grandkids.

The production of GMOs which are disease, fungus & pest resistant, which make better use of available water, (drought tolerant), improve growth rates and yields, survive cooler or hotter weather, make better use of sunlight to extend growing seasons and express particular vitamins or proteins to improve nutritional value present a fantastic opportunity to reduce the risk of food shortages and possible famine, war (quite possibly nuclear when we are talking about India, Pakistan, China, Iran) etc, whilst preserving and maybe even extending what little clean fresh water, wilderness and forest we have remaining.

It would be a great pity to see this derailed by the usual suspects in the Stop The World I Want To Get Off Anti-Science movement.

[Richard M]

The reason for genetically modifying plants is to make them produce a toxin to kill pests (insects) or, so the plant can be sprayed with glyphosphate and it won't kill the plant. The cane sugar growers apparently also use glyphosphate, but it is the lesser of two evils IMO.

SNIP

You forgot this one:

http://thespudd.com/scientists-confirm-apple-bitten-by-snow-white-was-a-gmo-witch-worked-for-monsanto/#comment-30209

[Richard M]

And back on topic - I'm not in North America, so no idea about your local chains but the cheapest places here for bulk ingredients are usually bakery/food manufacturers wholesalers, however the per kg price is actually cheapest at our big supermarkets if you buy their own brand rather than a recognised manufacturer. Some research I did here suggested that if you wanted sugar cheaper than at the supermarket, you'd have to buy a 100 ton consignment.

[Dallasbeek]

Richard M:  but it's all a conspiracy by evil chemical companies and even-more-evil farming conglomerates.  My hero has always been Norman Borlaug, but the thinking now seems to be that he was Dr. frankenstein.  You made a fine posting, IMHO.

[flyboy]

Do the people who work for these companies specifically avoid eating and feeding their children products that contain GMO or Round Up?  Nope.

What motivates PPL to make products is generally the same thing that motivates all of us, to make money. I work for money. That does not mean that I will blindly believe all sellers of products. I question everything. Europeans have voluntarily ditched GMOs.

The PPL that made DDT, Thalidomide, etc possibly had/have children also. Stalin, Nicolae Ceaușescu and Saddam Hussein had children.

I posted this not to try and change anyone, but simply to explain how to determine how to determine if the sugar you buy is GMO. At our local club this was a topic (determining whether it is GMO based) discussed at the meeting a few times.

The two types are the same price and you just have to read the label for where it was refined and then look up what they used at the factory. Our Superstore told us where it was refined and therefore what it contained. Easy peasy.

Surprising, Walmart was more expensive than the Superstore.

[Dallasbeek]

D. Coates:  good post from you, too.  Right on about class action suits.  As a retired lawyer, you might be surprised that a lot of us consider them among the worst of our profession.   Bottom feeders.  And their "clients" rarely recive more than a token amount of the millions they "win" by shaking down the corporations.  They are right in there with patent trolls IMHO.

[Dallasbeek]

Flyboy, I thought Walmart WAS the superstore.  Do you folks in Canada have a bigger store than the great Walton clan has given us?  And Walmart has lower prices only until its the only store in town, seems like.

[Dallasbeek]

Flyboy, I've just watched most of the video on GLYSOPHATE and can only say that I don't want it in my food, either, at the levels shown in the videos.  However, I don't intend to inject glysophate into my body, so I'm not too concerned about that.  Roundup kills growing plants it is used on, so I don't think I'll be eating plants tteated with Roundup -- except that there are plants that have been modified to be Roundup resistant, or tolerant, or whatever, so Roundup can be sprayed on them and it doesn't kill them, and they go on to become part of our food.

What studies have been done that might show harm from Roundup concentrations that might be found in our real-world food?  As D Coates pointed out, if we eat 250 pounds of bacon or whatever a day, it's carcinogenic.  Let's be real. 

I've lived with cancer since 1993.  It was in remission from 1993 until 2001, supposedly, but it was still there and came back in 2001.  I've been in treatment for it since 2001 and am still in relatively good health otherwise.  I'm 79 years old.  My point is that as we as a society live longer, more and more of us will have things like cancer that are (or will be) considered chronic diseases, rather than fatal diseases.  If a study such as described in the videos (about which I am skeptical, by the way) is something to get excited about, why do you think the federal agencies would let it pass?  Do you think the bureaucrats are on the take, imbeciles, stupid, or what?

Somebody once said there are lies, darned lies and statistics.  What are we talking about here?

[D Coates]

The PPL that made DDT, Thalidomide, etc possibly had/have children also. Stalin, Nicolae Ceaușescu and Saddam Hussein had children.

What does one have to do with the other?  Stalin, Nicolae Ceaușescu and Saddam Hussein didn't make DDT, Thalidomide, etc.  They were tyrants that had kids, but even those tyrants didn't intentionally poison their own kids.  You're grasping at straws. 

How is it that the countries who didn't stop using DDT didn't see all their raptors die off?  Silent Spring was quite a story but was light on facts.  What is a fact is those countries who pulled DDT from their mosquito control plans saw malaria and other mosquito born diseases balloon causing the deaths of millions of people.  I guess it's okay to demand others to get rid of things that could save their lives as long as others can feel good about themselves ans how they're supposedly saving the environment.

Getting rid of GMO and Round Up could cause the starvation of many (or wars over resources) in places that depend on high crop yields to keep prices low.  When corn got a bit scarce due to ethanol production a few years ago there was a bit of pain felt in S America.  Remember the protests and riots?  Imagine that on a global scale.  I guess it's okay as long as it's not us who are running the risk of starving?

[D Coates]

D Coates, don't forget. Bacon WILL give you cancer. Then somebody decided to ask how much.

It seems eating 250 lbs. of bacon daily for 350 years DEFINITELY WILL give you cancer. Most truths aren't given with even a hint of completeness.

Yep, I forgot the whole bacon claim too.  I've been trying to eat 1 pound a day but I'm working up to 250lbs daily...  ;)  Mathematically at my current rate of bacon consumption I am going to have to live another 87,453 years before bacon gets me. 

[flyboy]

And I suppose that this is a conspiracy theory also.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/eilish-cleary-glyphosate-leave-1.3347020

[D Coates]

And I suppose that this is a conspiracy theory also.

Yep...  it even hints it in the article.  "I'm concerned there might be some corporate or political pressure put on [Cleary] for her to stand aside."  She's wasting valuable govt. funds going down a rabbit hole and was put on leave for it.  She was probably warned by her superior not to do this.  She ignored the warning and now the greenies are up in arms as a proof of conspiracy (Govt., Big AG, etc!), which means it MUST cause cancer.   Again, if there was any substantial proof of this gobdly gook (it's been on the market for how many decades now?) a class action suit would have blown this whole thing up.  Bottom line, it's effective, inexpensive, and pretty harmless to everything but plants when used properly.

Everything can cause death (and probably cancer) if used improperly.  If she can prove it causes cancer... when you consume copious amounts of it.... so what... 

[KeyLargoBees]

As the immortal George Carlin once said...." The FDA announced today that saliva can cause stomach cancer....but only when swallowed in very small amounts over a long period of time."

That man was a genius and that pretty much sums up where this thread has been hijacked to ;-)

[minz]

First to the OP, we had a ?Cash and Carry? restaurant supply store here that always seems to beat (or Beet) all the prices by about 15 percent).
To the ?what is healthier? queston the only thing I remember about the big bee study (Bee informed I think) was that the hives that were fed sugar had a higher survival rate than that of honey. Maybe because it was commercial but it was one of the trends that was being investigated.

[sc-bee]

the hives that were fed sugar had a higher survival rate than that of honey....

???